"Protests" Planned

More targets.

These people are still stuck in the 60s.

Protests change nothing without some kind of active political involvement.

Other than worthless Democrat law makers bitching, there is no active political involvement.

If you want change, convince me to vote for you.

When will they understand this?

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Several here in NC already for today. I'm assuming all over. Here we go, I guess.

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Normal people don't give two shits about dumbass leftist paid protestors. They've been protesting all over, every day for 15 years about something. They've been earning those checks.

Im betting none of em will attempt to run over law enforcement officers!!!

fricking Waltz threatening to use Minnesota NG against ICE!! That guy is desperate and a total goofball!

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Protests change nothing without some kind of active political involvement.

Other than worthless Democrat law makers bitching, there is no active political involvement.

If you want change, convince me to vote for you.

When will they understand this?

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The people running things do understand.

1) For the "organic" (read: unpaid) protestors, the act of getting out to support a cause feels to them they are doing something / making their voice heard.

2) The existence of paid protestors and NGOs that fund and organize protests (and that pay protestors to show up) is the larger issue. Their existence suggests there is something else to gain. Off the top of my head, I think that would be:

a) to create the appearance of public interest in the political agenda of the NGO.

b) the appearance of public interest becomes a narrative tool that media outlets friendly to the NGOs can use to amplify the message and pretend this (whatever protest) is the true will of the people writ large.

c) this false amplification of influences fools the public to some degree and helps recruit people to the movement, and especially when the agenda is emotionally charged, will dampen the enthusiasm of some percentage of the population to resist it.

Protests, like social media influencers and bot farms, are often a form of form of psychological manipulation... I'm not an expert on social engineering, but I have to imagine it falls under that umbrella as well.

So, it isn't quite accurate to say protests change nothing. The momentum they create may be fabricated and may be a mirage of sorts. It's also usually irrational. But it does make an impression on the public... regrettably.

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a) to create the appearance of public interest in the political agenda of the NGO. b) the appearance of public interest becomes a narrative tool that media outlets friendly to the NGOs can use to amplify the message and pretend this (whatever protest) is the true will of the people writ large. c) this false amplification of influences fools the public to some degree and helps recruit people to the movement, and especially when the agenda is emotionally charged, will dampen the enthusiasm of some percentage of the population to resist it.

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All of this.

Weather must be good

I posted in another thread that when I left work in Orlando and drove by City Hall they were already out there in large numbers holding premade signs to abolish ice

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Protests, like social media influencers and bot farms, are often a form of form of psychological manipulation...

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They've thought this for some time but it very rarely works if ever. The point I was making is that what they're doing now is just futile.

Like I say, I'm always open to hearing any side. The way things work in this country (not "should", not "supposed to") is that we're a republic. Once someone gets in and wins, they get to introduce (and probably pass) their agenda.

If you want your group to have some control over agenda and policy in this country, you ultimately have to win elections and get into office as a starting point.

So, if you want to change things and get in, you'll have to win the vote. Start by convincing me of your points. These people have no logical points to make really. As such, they won't be winning much in the near future.

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They've thought this for some time but it very rarely works if ever. The point I was making is that what they're doing now is just futile.
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Like I say, I'm always open to hearing any side. The way things work in this country (not "should", not "supposed to") is that we're a republic. Once someone gets in and wins, they get to introduce (and probably pass) their agenda.

If you want your group to have some control over agenda and policy in this country, you ultimately have to win elections and get into office as a starting point.

So, if you want to change things and get in, you'll have to win the vote. Start by convincing me of your points. These people have no logical points to make really. As such, they won't be winning much in the near future.

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I partially agree. I very much agree "these people" have no logical points by which they might legitimately win elections. That being said, the 2020 election suggests it may not be that simple.

If you believe the 2020 election was fairly run in GA, PA, AZ, etc. then you are correct that we live in a republic and things run well.

If, however, you are suspicious of the results of the 2020 election results and think there was a steal (I do), then the combination of the covid narrative plus the George Floyd protests created an environment where the Dems, media, IC, etc. were able to seize the narrative and push enough voters to reject Trump in favor of Biden, as well as to create enough cover to fabricate the votes they needed in order to circumvent the fair running of the republic.

Even if you don't think votes were fabricated, this still speaks to the effectiveness of the narrative and the George Floyd protests-- much of which was organized by the aforementioned NGO's, but which also drew support from mindless NPC sorts.

It would therefore seem that the Dems/Marxists absolutely benefited from the protests, and succeeded in making people discount any progress Trump was otherwise making.

I didn't have the time earlier to post an add-on thought that I had... It isn't really addressed to you and isn't contesting what you say (I'd like to generally agree with you in principle); it's just more of a continuing thought as to why some protesters bother to do what they do (the ones that don't get paid). Since I had it half-typed, I'll finish and paste below:

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My previous post summed up the issue of the false narrative and how it's used by the left to gain power. This post pertains largely to "organic"/ genuine protestors.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that many people are experiencing a crisis of meaning these days. Life has always been hard in one way or another. Under hard circumstances, people traditionally have leaned on their identity for strength:
... I'm a man
... I'm a mother (or an independent woman)
... I'm a country boy / baw / from the streets
... I'm a Christian
... I'm an American
Etc...

Now, many of these identities are under attack. To be an American in a traditional sense is looked down upon by the left, the media, universities, and in many high paying workplaces. To take pride in being a capable man (especially a white one) is contemptible in these same circles. What even is a man or woman?! This confusion creates circumstances where young people searching for their identity and their place in the world are more easily swept up in the zeitgeist of any movement. Becoming a protestor and part of a movement-- however stupid-- gives them meaning and a place to belong... even if they're just sky screaming irrationally.

The insidious part of this is that the same people running the NGOs who fund and organize these protests are part of the same groups who have demonized the legitimate identities many of these young people might have leaned into for strength... going back to the Frankfurt school and cultural marxists like Gramsci, who observed that they needed to destroy the identity and will of any country before its people would accept Marxism.

In short, the Marxists corrupt the system to destroy healthy meaning and identity. Then they encourage participation by the youth and give them a false identity of sorts as part of their mob. Part of the effectiveness of this strategy is that it is very easy to show up with a sign and scream. It takes no intelligence or ability. But it is very apparent in watching some protestors that they feel a high level of satisfaction in abandoning any sense of true identity and just becoming part of the mindless mob. They need no discipline to do so (as they might if crafting a true identity) and are rewarded with the smug satisfaction of being able to call themselves something (a progressive, an advocate for this and that) when they may not even understand what they're standing for.

To the question of why people bother, the above idea is the issue. The fact that any given protestor accomplishes little means doesn't matter to them. They "feel" like they've acquired meaning and done something even if they haven't. It gives them a false sense that they have power, when really they're just pawns for the people who control the mob and to whom they actually give their power.

The antidote is of course supporting strong institutions (church, family, workplaces, schools, etc) where ethics and virtue are valued. If kids are supported in being disciplined and working towards creating authentic identities that cultivate their strengths and that give them a genuine identity to lean on during hard times, they will be less likely to become a marxist NPC, who will merely show up to be outraged at the next thing they're told to by their NGO / Marxist puppet masters... This would be the... I think Mamdami called it "cold" individualism (I think in an effort to avoid calling it "rugged" or some other descriptor of strength) that he wants to destroy in favor of his "warm" (read: stupid, weak) embrace of collectivism.