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Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:03 am to bmy
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The government wants it to benefit the taxpayer.
NO, this is where you're especially wrong. They want it to benefit those who have NEVER paid tax.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:03 am to bmy
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why do you deserve your fathers money more than the taxpayer/projects supported by tax dollars?
I will answer your question with a question. Why do you think you know better than this man's father as to where his money should go after he passes away?
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 11:24 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:05 am to MSMHater
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Question: why do you deserve your fathers money more than the taxpayer/projects supported by tax dollars? You didn't earn it. You don't deserve it either.
I can't believe people actually think like this.
Hell, I saw a big-timer on Fox Business say the Govt doesn't "take our money through tax", rather they "give us some of their money, b/c it's all the govt's money". I thought Jim Rogers head was gonna explode.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:05 am to LordoftheManor
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I will answer your question with the question. Why do you think you know better than this man's father as to where his money should go after he passes away?
But, but the taxpayers and stuff.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:06 am to LordoftheManor
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I will answer your question with the question. Why do you think you know better than this man's father as to where his money should go after he passes away?
I don't. But is this not the very definition of privilege when daddy passes down wealth to an unaccomplished son?
It exists. It's reality. Only snowflakes give a frick.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:06 am to Broke
As a black person, let me add just a little perspective.
Overall, it is true that privelege does not exist in a way to excuse someone of their failures.
What most people are calling privelege is actually classism.
The poor = lazy is really not accurate as it discredits people who are in really bad circumstances. Just like you don't deserve to be undervalued, neither should the working poor.
I think the privelege argument also stems from lack of opportunities. In truth, most blacks/other minorities lack the networking advantages that most of the white people in upper to middle class have
This isn't the fault of modern day white people, but it's a side effect of generational exclusion from the means to gain wealth until the recent past decades.
Overall, it is true that privelege does not exist in a way to excuse someone of their failures.
What most people are calling privelege is actually classism.
The poor = lazy is really not accurate as it discredits people who are in really bad circumstances. Just like you don't deserve to be undervalued, neither should the working poor.
I think the privelege argument also stems from lack of opportunities. In truth, most blacks/other minorities lack the networking advantages that most of the white people in upper to middle class have
This isn't the fault of modern day white people, but it's a side effect of generational exclusion from the means to gain wealth until the recent past decades.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 11:08 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:07 am to bmy
quote:Ironic that you would state that
You didn't earn it. You don't deserve it either.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:07 am to Vacherie Saint
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I think that the problem with privilege is that liberals have somehow extended it from ivy league trust fund babies to upper middle class honkeys in Sheboygan.
no, privilege extends to almost everyone. Even poor people, or minorities.
I really think it was marketed poorly by liberals.
If they had said, you should recognize your blessings in life and be thankful for them. And realize not everyone had the same blessings, I think it would have worked. but they didn't do it.
liberals suck at marketing.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:07 am to bmy
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Or we could live in reality: neither party deserves it. Neither party was likely relevant in the creation of that wealth.
Some snotty arse ends up getting the money because he did household chores and was privileged enough to be born into wealth.. then he wants to talk down to people
Hard to say privilege doesn't exist when the OP is a fantastic example
You sound REALLY envious and bitter.
The person who earned that money decides what to do with it. Life isn't fair.
You really need to let whatever it is that is making you so angry, go.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:07 am to Broke
My response to those who denigrate my Privilege....frick em.
Got better things to do with my life to listen to their unfounded toxicity. Much like those who always have a racism laden agenda...don't have time to waste on your nasty, self-serving, whiny attitude....and some wonder why they can't get ahead....dumb a$$es
Got better things to do with my life to listen to their unfounded toxicity. Much like those who always have a racism laden agenda...don't have time to waste on your nasty, self-serving, whiny attitude....and some wonder why they can't get ahead....dumb a$$es
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:08 am to bmy
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But is this not the very definition of privilege when daddy passes down wealth to an unaccomplished son?
This is the definition:
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a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.
Their fathers could have done the same thing. But they didn't. They chose different paths. Not my fault your old man sucked.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:08 am to bmy
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I don't. But is this not the very definition of privilege when daddy passes down wealth to an unaccomplished son?
It exists. It's reality. Only snowflakes give a frick.
Ok. So I'm only privileged if I inherit, not just b/c I'm white?
I mean, my parents didn't/aren't leaving me shite. It's nice to know I can unburden myself of all this privilege I've been told I possessed.
ETA: That's right, I'm lying, dad left me his hospital bills. That was quite a privilege.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 11:11 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:09 am to Hawkeye95
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they had said, you should recognize your blessings in life and be thankful for them. And realize not everyone had the same blessings, I think it would have worked. but they didn't do it.
Thank you. That's all I'm trying to say.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:11 am to bmy
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Or we could live in reality: neither party deserves it. Neither party was likely relevant in the creation of that wealth.
Some snotty arse ends up getting the money because he did household chores and was privileged enough to be born into wealth.. then he wants to talk down to people
Embarrassing really
I have investment directives that are specifically designed to leave a little behing for my kids. I wouldn't have taken that direction if I were childless. The day liberals try to take that wealth from me and my family against my wishes is they day I will instruct my sons, as I lay on my death bed, to burn every dollar while it's still mine. I suspect many Patriots will do the same.
I've spent my entire life paying taxes for the greater good only to watch politicians use that money to enrich themselves, buy votes, and pay off thier political allies. They won't take a cent more.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:11 am to volod
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I think the privelege argument also stems from lack of opportunities. In truth, most blacks/other minorities lack the networking advantages that most of the white people in upper to middle class have
This isn't the fault of modern day white people, but it's a side effect of generational exclusion from the mears to gain wealth until the recent past decades.
1) I agree that the obstacles for a young black person often exceed that for white peers.
2) I agree that the generational impact of racism has lingered, and will continue to linger (albeit with lessened impact)
3) My issues are more with causation and intervening opportunity. While I think the impacts of racism have harmed the black "community," I think the black community's own rhetoric is, at this point, of far greater damage. An example would be when churches are often the first to use stigmatizing labels of racism to avoid looking at problems within - you've got a problem.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:11 am to roadGator
you have replied to me twice in this thread, so yes, you read my posts.
and you remembered other posts I made.
and you remembered other posts I made.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 11:13 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:14 am to bmy
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Neither party was likely relevant in the creation of that wealth.
A substantial part of what motivates me is a desire to leave something for my son and daughter and their eventual families. They're certainly highly relevant in my efforts to create wealth.
I can't speak for anyone else, but if I were sterile or had failed to procreate, I'd be less motivated to succeed and would have less of a need to earn a lot.
Now I don't mean to say that privilege doesn't exist and it that has no effect on the outcomes of one's life.
Really this comes down to how strictly we want to enforce the notion of "equality of opportunity". I certainly want to be able to give my kids an advantage in life if I can, and I certainly see them as "deserving" of my efforts.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:14 am to Pettifogger
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3) My issues are more with causation and intervening opportunity. While I think the impacts of racism have harmed the black "community," I think the black community's own rhetoric is, at this point, of far greater damage. An example would be when churches are often the first to use stigmatizing labels of racism to avoid looking at problems within - you've got a problem.
I think that the black community doesn't like to air its dirty laundry to other people. But my token black friend says these things are discussed in the black community.
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