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Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:57 pm to Powerman
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Biden can't shut down natural gas plants even if he wanted to
How do you think they effectively eliminated coal? They regulated it to death.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:59 pm to Ten Bears
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How do you think they effectively eliminated coal? They regulated it to death.
It became more economical to use natural gas because of all of the natural gas plays. That's the real answer.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:00 pm to TNoon
C’mon man!
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:01 pm to TNoon
Sweet baby Jesus. Accept him into your house! Please!
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:01 pm to Powerman
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No one is rushing to build coal plants right now anyway
I wonder why.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:04 pm to TNoon
Easy to not read this far but...
"It’s unclear when existing U.S. coal plants would have to shut"
Most likely that date will be sometime just before coal mining becomes unprofitable...which is happening pretty damn quick without ANY help from anyone. Typewriter repairmen have also just about disappeared...
"It’s unclear when existing U.S. coal plants would have to shut"
Most likely that date will be sometime just before coal mining becomes unprofitable...which is happening pretty damn quick without ANY help from anyone. Typewriter repairmen have also just about disappeared...
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:08 pm to Powerman
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If you took a few minutes to give a shite about the topic you might learn there is more afoot than just that. Try not being a whiney bitch and actually learning something.
I have read all of this crap and have some connections in the DoE. The only thing that may happen is Bill Gates Terra Power. All of the other things will generate little to know more electricity. Why do whiney bitches like you copy/paste complete BS and act like you have a fricken clue what is actually going on.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:13 pm to Figgy
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Nuclear please.
Going to happen. Going to have to streamline design and licensing but going to happen.
Fusion is also going to happen if we manage to remain a cohesive nation which can collectively pay for the R&D until such time as it becomes profitable and therefore of interest to the private sector.
All the talk of eliminating fossil fuels tomorrow is idiotic. It is worse than the idiots claiming it can never happen. It is going to happen. Someone, somewhere, is going to develop a viable alternative. 70 years ago the smart money would be on someone in the United States with funding from taxpayers doing it...but our current divide and insistence on doing stupid shite may mean that ship has sailed...
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:14 pm to Powerman
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New being the key word
No one is rushing to build coal plants right now anyway so this has essentially 0 impact.
Sure aint, but never let a well known fact get in the way of a hysterical emotional tantrum....
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:19 pm to Warboo
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Here is the problem. The govt. controls what the energy companies can do to generate more electricity. They will not let them add additional coal or gas generation. They also will not give out permits for nuclear. This illegitimate regime does not care about economics.
NRC has just licensed 2 new reactors in Georgia...one went commercial in July and the other is scheduled for the first quarter of next year, probably more like 4th quarter. The problem is not licensing, it is the public's opposition, the "not in my backyard" idea. The industry has always been out own worst enemy...we will climb a tree to skirt regulation when we can stand on the ground and comply. That leads to mistrust by the public and the Government answers to the public like it or not.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:24 pm to Powerman
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They also will not give out permits for nuclear
This is stupid
The government is spending federal money for more nuclear infrastructure
3 planned reactors not at Vogtle with a projected state up date of 2037. 18 more in the proposal stage which means probably 6 will make it to planning and maybe on line at some point. There is movement. It is not fast but there is movement. The idea that the Government is keeping it from happening is naive...it is voters and the "not in my backyard" that is slowing it...
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:27 pm to TNoon
"Everyone must drive electric cars" Also... "We're goint to cut of your electricity."
Who want's to be a dictator?
Who want's to be a dictator?
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:27 pm to TNoon
Virtue signaling. They'll claim to have shut down fossil fuels, but rolling blackouts and dead EVs would end them. They'll make up some bullshite number of how much renewables we're using and the MSM will parrot it.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:28 pm to GeauxtigersMs36
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Coal is as clean as possible, plus they take a lot of people. American workers. Talked to a power plant person who told me wind turbines will never pay for themselves. Solar has issues with freezing up, not rotating among other things. I’m all for either building more natural gas units or keep the coal burning.
Friend may be talking out his arse...very little rotating involved in solar power. Almost none.
We may individually be all for coal and natural gas the problem is the industry is not all for it...at least not coal. Coal is deader than typewriters...you could subsidize coal like no business has ever been subsidized and coal production would continue to drop like a stone. The actual costs are just too high.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:30 pm to AwgustaDawg
quote:Ground mount systems tilt with the sun.
Friend may be talking out his arse...very little rotating involved in solar power. Almost none.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:31 pm to BurntOrangeMan
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China is building plants at a rate that makes a Taco Bell franchisee envy.. you do the math on what this means.
Spoiler: We are fricked
Yes, it would be FANTASTIC if Americans were more like the Chinese and either did not have a voice in what goes on in their backyard OR when they did were simply eliminated. It would also help matters immensely if it weren't for all these damned market forces we have to contend with in the US that Chine does not have to contend with domestically....they simply take the money from the people and do what they are going to do. That is the dream of every politician who ever asked for a vote in the United States HOWEVER they have to put up with all of these damned mouthy Americans who kind of like keeping some of their shite for themselves....but yes, China is the model of efficiency we should be aiming for...
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:40 pm to Zach
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I wonder why.
The up front cost of building coal fired plants is very cost prohibitive. Natural gas plants can be built cheaper and the fuel is also economical which gives it a favorable operational cost.
Now you don't have to wonder
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:45 pm to Taxing Authority
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Ground mount systems tilt with the sun.
No doubt, and no doubt they do suffer in cold weather....so do transmission lines and coal and natural gas plants. Cold weather makes production and distribution more difficult no matter what is inducing the current. It is not, however, a major detriment, at least not in any data I have seen. Even in solar arrays built at marginal latitudes current can be induced even when panels are covered in snow. They do not produce as much but they still produce. There is some pretty compelling evidence of this, in Texas a few years ago and in the mid-west last December. In both cases both coal and natural gas plants were unable to operate at capacity because of fuel supply problems associated with freezing weather. This is not including the distribution problems cold weather causes.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 1:46 pm to BeepNode
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You don’t understand economics. As more EVs come online they buy more and more energy from energy companies that own the infrastructure. The energy companies then use that money to pay for the infrastructure needed to provide service.
If energy companies are getting double the revenue then they can pay double for infrastructure. The servitudes are already there. They should use that extra money to invest in upgrading.
I'm not sure if this is trolling or if you are this naïve. "They should use" doesn't mean they actually will. They could use the money to upgrade the infrastructure now but they don't. Even with record profits. They know there is an issue. I can't think of a place that doesn't have rolling blackouts. They seems to be waiting for a gov handout in order to make improvements.
Welcome to reality. You sound ridiculous.
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