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re: Pres Trump showed real leadership in reassuring SA & Israel of our commitment to them
Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:26 pm to NIH
Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:26 pm to NIH
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Are you willing to suffer at the pump for your principles?
Considering I have a company car and don’t pay for my gas, sure!
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 2:27 pm
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:26 pm to OMLandshark
As a politician would you make that call? Probably not.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:27 pm to Lima Whiskey
Sorry but you are wrong here. We were all about the Iranians when the Shah was in power. And you are right, they are caucasians and feel a need to recreate their dominion in that region. But the radical Muslims won the internal struggle and will not rest until they destroy Israel and hurt he USA badly. And it is a minority of the people in power. They likely would have ran the radicals off had Obama stepped up and supported them. But he didn' which leads to a suspicion of sorts as to his motivations. Now we have to deal with the devil that is, not the folks we wish were in charge. Were those folks in charge we likely would support a stabilizing and powerful Persian sphere.
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:28 pm to boosiebadazz
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:29 pm to Lakeboy7
it was too easy so I passed Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:30 pm to boosiebadazz
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:31 pm to jimdog
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But the radical Muslims won the internal struggle and will not rest until they destroy Israel and hurt he USA badly.
Why should we care what happens to Israel?
Why is that our problem?
When was the last time Iran or Iranian agents attacked a American civilian target?
They aren’t a threat.
The Saudis are though.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:33 pm to OMLandshark
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He’d show real leadership by putting sanctions on the Saudis. Our relationship with that country is pretty sickening, and I remember when this was a dealbreaker when it came to Hillary for many Trump voters on this site.
Our ME policies continue to be a shitshow. It's embarrassing.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:35 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Even if there was a revolution, the next government would undoubtedly pursue a similar foreign policy.
Their policies are driven by their interests. And those interests won’t change.
I wish people understood this.
For the most part, their interests haven't changed from before the Shah's era. The Shah's secret police morphed into the one of the mullahs, and the desire for regional hegemony, especially in terms of being the center of Shia Islam, were started during the Shah's era.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:35 pm to jimdog
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They likely would have ran the radicals off had Obama stepped up and supported them.
We were able to topple Mosadegh because he was unpopular.
The current government is actually popular. It speaks to traditional conservative Persians. The people who don’t like marching, and who often live in the countryside.
Any attempt to overrthrow the government would have united Iranians, across ideological lines.
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:38 pm to jimdog
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Were those folks in charge we likely would support a stabilizing and powerful Persian sphere.
Any Iranians gains come at the expense of Saudi Arabia, and the Arab states.
Iran’s rise is inherently destabilizing, and will result in conflict.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:41 pm to boosiebadazz
It doesn't just come down to the Iranians. You short sighted folks don't freaking get it. This is about the USA and Russia. The Russians desperately want us out of the ME so they can control, and they would brutally control it, the oil and the massive energy supply for much of the world. It would be a game changer. I don't expect the Trump haters to be able to see past their petty little hatred. But there is a far bigger, more over arching goal here. Ever since Texaco (I believe) went in there and developed the industry the Russians have done everything they could to drive a wedge between us and the energy producers.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:43 pm to jimdog
And so Saudi Arabia therefore gets a free pass to frick us whenever and wherever they choose?
Is that your position? It sounds like that’s your position.
Is that your position? It sounds like that’s your position.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:47 pm to Lima Whiskey
BS. Where were you when the streets were full of protesters just a very few years ago. Begging for American support. I employed hundreds upon hundreds of young Iranian males from 1984 to 2000. Many of whom are wealthy Americans now. And to a man they wanted the Mullahs out of their lives. Most were fleeing them and many, many of them got their families out of there. They would tell tales of how the people there were misunderstood as to their feelings about America.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:48 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Why should we care what happens to Israel?
The Bible says they're God's chosen people, that's why!
Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:49 pm to jimdog
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You short sighted folks don't freaking get it.
Your sight only goes as far as Trump’s arse.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:53 pm to jimdog
"Real leadership" to Republicans is making sure their weapons industry overlords keep their profits, human rights and America's standing in the world as a moral guardian be damned.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:54 pm to Rex
Hey it's Samantha Powers everybody! 
Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:54 pm to OMLandshark
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Your sight only goes as far as Trump’s arse.
Spot on.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 2:55 pm to Rex
Lol. Rex doesn't think defense contractors give money to the new radical leftists.
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