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re: Predictions on Khalil (former Columbia student) hearing today?
Posted on 4/11/25 at 11:30 am to Pandy Fackler
Posted on 4/11/25 at 11:30 am to Pandy Fackler
So sensitive, I'm simply making an observation that you disagree with. Knock yourself out.
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Posted on 4/11/25 at 11:30 am to Lightning
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They submitted a brief saying he lied on his green card application.
Thanks for bringing this up. I think the brief referred to in that CNN article was filed in the US District Court case pending in New Jersey.
Which brings up what might be a stupid question. How do the proceedings in Jena relate to the case in New Jersey?
Posted on 4/11/25 at 11:32 am to JimEverett
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I dont think he made that clear. He did say that under the statute that when actions that are otherwise lawful warrant removal he has to make the determination that it harms foreign policy of the us for him to remain.
I can only go by what Marco Rubio said, and what he said is that Mahmoud Khalil has not broken the law. That's what he said.
The emboldened part is a matter of perogative. Rubio believes he has that perogative and he's acting on it.
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 11:47 am
Posted on 4/11/25 at 11:40 am to JimEverett
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If I had to guess, I would guess she orders him released and this goes to the next court.
Maybe there’s an obvious answer to this, but what would be the next court?
1. Direct appeal of the immigration judge's decision to the U.S. Western District of Louisiana.
Or
2. Fold into the Habeas proceedings already filed by Abrego Garcia and pending in federal district court in New Jersey?
Posted on 4/11/25 at 11:50 am to IvoryBillMatt
Brazen lawlessness by the court.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 11:59 am to IvoryBillMatt
She cant order him a green card. Its been revoked by the SoS. He has to be deported. he no longer has permission to stay. Thats not her call
Lulz
Terrorizing students of a particular religion on a college campus is certainly a unique set of circumstances
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"I've never seen this ground of deportation invoked," Nietor said. "It's almost always a green card holder who is almost always in deportation proceedings because of some type of criminal conviction."
Lulz
Terrorizing students of a particular religion on a college campus is certainly a unique set of circumstances
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:00 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Brazen lawlessness by the court.
The Immigration Court? They are following the law completely.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:09 pm to Pandy Fackler
"Khalil has not broken the law."
Except he did. Lying on his green card application, or conveniently forgetting t mention that you were involved with known groups who engage in anti-semitism, would be grounds for invoking his green card and sending his azz packing back to his homeland.
Except he did. Lying on his green card application, or conveniently forgetting t mention that you were involved with known groups who engage in anti-semitism, would be grounds for invoking his green card and sending his azz packing back to his homeland.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:12 pm to DocYatesVA
i saw some attorneys on newsmax and he rattled off a bunch of stuff that have on this guy.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:12 pm to DocYatesVA
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Khalil has not broken the law."
Except he did. Lying on his green card application, or conveniently forgetting t mention that you were involved with known groups who engage in anti-semitism, would be grounds for invoking his green card and sending his azz packing back to his homeland
Marco Rubio. Secretary of State for the United States of America has said in no uncertain terms that Mahmoud Khalil has not broken the law. He said this. He did.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:13 pm to Pandy Fackler
Are you talking about his Declaration?
This is all I can find about illegality:
That is not definitively saying the Gov't believes he did not break a law. He is saying he is not relying on criminality for his determination.
I have no idea how these immigration hearings work - maybe they are having a full blown hearing today. Maybe there were other documents filed. The government can still allege criminality as another basis for removal. Maybe the government really has no evidence of criminality. Or maybe they are using Khalil to see if a case using just Rubio's determination will be successful and they replicate it.
This is all I can find about illegality:
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UnderINAsection237(a)(4)(C)(ii), for cases in which the basis for this determination is the alien's past, current, or expected beliefs, statements, or associations that are otherwise lawful, the Secretary of State must personally determine that the alien's presence or activities would compromise a compelling U.S.foreign policy interest.
That is not definitively saying the Gov't believes he did not break a law. He is saying he is not relying on criminality for his determination.
I have no idea how these immigration hearings work - maybe they are having a full blown hearing today. Maybe there were other documents filed. The government can still allege criminality as another basis for removal. Maybe the government really has no evidence of criminality. Or maybe they are using Khalil to see if a case using just Rubio's determination will be successful and they replicate it.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:21 pm to JimEverett
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That is not definitively saying the Gov't believes he did not break a law. He is saying he is not relying on criminality for his determination.
I have no idea how these immigration hearings work - maybe they are having a full blown hearing today. Maybe there were other documents filed. The government can still allege criminality as another basis for removal. Maybe the government really has no evidence of criminality. Or maybe they are using Khalil to see if a case using just Rubio's determination will be successful and they replicate it.
Ok.
In the absence of the word "maybe", I can only go by Marco Rubio's words. Here are his words...
The two-page memo, which was obtained by The Associated Press, does not allege any criminal conduct by Khalil, a legal permanent U.S. resident
Rather, Rubio wrote Khalil could be expelled for his beliefs.
He (Rubio) said that while Khalil’s activities were “otherwise lawful, letting him remain in the country would undermine “U.S. policy to combat anti-Semitism around the world and in the United States, in addition to efforts to protect Jewish students from harassment and violence in the United States.”
The rest of it speaks to the point you've made.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:21 pm to Pandy Fackler
He's on a green card. Not sure how that changes anything.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:23 pm to Pandy Fackler
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can only go by what Marco Rubio said
You can do more than that instead of insisting the government has provided no evidence. Khalil led protests that had some violent rhetoric. Jewish students were in fear for their life and told by professor it wasn’t safe. Protestors also block classrooms. Khalil is the negotiator/spokesperson for this group on campus. You think that is ideal behavior for a non citizen? Shouldn’t green card and visa holders not be on their best behavior? I think he’s a trouble maker waiting in the wings.
To me that’s the argument. There is a very thin line between support for Palestine only and not support for hamas. Leading a protest with violent undertones against Israel is leaning towards support for Hamas. A green card holder should absolutely be kicked out for supporting a terrorist organization. That is just my take on this particular case.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:23 pm to Pandy Fackler
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He (Rubio) said that while Khalil’s activities were “otherwise lawful, letting him remain in the country would undermine “U.S. policy to combat anti-Semitism around the world
So, Rubio is an SJW.
I hate SJWs.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:25 pm to Pandy Fackler
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He (Rubio) said that while Khalil’s activities were “otherwise lawful,
That is the problem. Where are you getting this info?
Here is the document: LINK
I quoted Rubio above. he does not say Khalil's actions were all lawful. He said that under the statute if the basis is activities that are lawful . . .
That is not the same as the quote from the secondary source you are using.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:34 pm to JimEverett
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Or maybe they are using Khalil to see if a case using just Rubio's determination will be successful and they replicate it.
I think that's what they're doing.
A really interesting question is WHEN did Rubio allegedly revoke his green card? When Khalil was arrested, they told him that his STUDENT VISA had been revoked. When informed that Khalil had a green card, the ICE officer said "we're revoking that too." Obviously, the ICE officer didn't have the authority to do that. When did RUBIO discover that Khalil had a green card to revoke it?
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:45 pm to JimEverett
Thanks Jim for posting the Rubio memorandum.
It's strange that that was the only evidence offered by government. It doesn't even include the tabs referenced by the memo.
Also the memo refers to Khalil as a permanent resident as of March 7, 2025. Yet, as of March 8, when Khalil was arrested, the ICE officers thought he was on a student visa...not a green card.
I think Khalil will be deported without any discovery being conducted, but it would be interesting to know what really went on in this case.
I wonder WHEN the memo from Rubio was drafted. Doesn't it seem odd to not have a date?
It's strange that that was the only evidence offered by government. It doesn't even include the tabs referenced by the memo.
Also the memo refers to Khalil as a permanent resident as of March 7, 2025. Yet, as of March 8, when Khalil was arrested, the ICE officers thought he was on a student visa...not a green card.
I think Khalil will be deported without any discovery being conducted, but it would be interesting to know what really went on in this case.
I wonder WHEN the memo from Rubio was drafted. Doesn't it seem odd to not have a date?
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:48 pm to IvoryBillMatt
It is a very interesting case. I wish we had someone more familiar with how these immigration cases go.
Like I asked above - is there an actual hearing involved today, or is the Judge just going to rule on submitted evidence?
Is that Rubio Declaration the only evidence the government will present?
Does Khalil get to call witnesses?
Like I asked above - is there an actual hearing involved today, or is the Judge just going to rule on submitted evidence?
Is that Rubio Declaration the only evidence the government will present?
Does Khalil get to call witnesses?
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:53 pm to JimEverett
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It is a very interesting case. I wish we had someone more familiar with how these immigration cases go.
Like I asked above - is there an actual hearing involved today, or is the Judge just going to rule on submitted evidence?
Is that Rubio Declaration the only evidence the government will present?
Does Khalil get to call witnesses?
I think this is what's happening and as of yesterday, Rubio's declaration was the only thing submitted.
I don't think he gets to call witnesses.
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 12:54 pm
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