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re: POTUS Trump announces executive order to classify Fentanyl as a Weapon of Mass Destruction
Posted on 12/15/25 at 6:50 pm to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 12/15/25 at 6:50 pm to DavidTheGnome
Alcohol kills about 95,000 Americans annually, and that's counting all causes, not just consumption. LINK
Fentanyl comes in at about 80,000 annually, with each year fluctuating. And as of today is the #1 cause of death in people of ages 18-44. These numbers are direct overdoses, not things added like people killed in car wrecks, etc.
Not all people that OD on fentanyl are taking it on purpose, it's added to different drugs, especially other opiods and benzo's. So finding a hard number is difficult.
So no, alcohol does not kill twice as many people annually. And people DO choose to drink, not always the case with fentanyl.
Fentanyl comes in at about 80,000 annually, with each year fluctuating. And as of today is the #1 cause of death in people of ages 18-44. These numbers are direct overdoses, not things added like people killed in car wrecks, etc.
Not all people that OD on fentanyl are taking it on purpose, it's added to different drugs, especially other opiods and benzo's. So finding a hard number is difficult.
So no, alcohol does not kill twice as many people annually. And people DO choose to drink, not always the case with fentanyl.
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 6:50 pm to BBONDS25
Pam Bondi for one. She needs to add more spokes to her wheel of excuses for Epstein records.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 6:51 pm to Bunk Moreland
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You would think this board would be somewhat on guard about the executive declaring a fake war and now ridiculous designations about WMD. But, that's too much to ask, I guess.
I haven't read many comments yet, but does the PT consensus seem to also favor waving pom-poms for the endorsement of Fentanyl as a "Weapon of Mass Destruction"?
Posted on 12/15/25 at 6:54 pm to Hateradedrink
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Pam Bondi for one. She needs to add more spokes to her wheel of excuses for Epstein records.
Who brought her up in this thread?
Posted on 12/15/25 at 6:57 pm to jizzle6609
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By local dealers.
So you retract the willingly risk it statement?
Posted on 12/15/25 at 7:00 pm to Neutral Underground
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They put it in drugs that shouldn't have fentanyl in it. I
know people like to demonize people who use drugs, but when your family member dies because there was fentanyl in the adhd medicine they got from their friend to study for an exam. You can victim blame. Dabbling in drugs shouldn't be a death sentence. They even sprinkle it on weed.
Thanks for the status report on the street. Most of us honestly have no idea what's going on in the culture with rec or medicinal enhancements.
If people are routinely and maliciously lacing them with fent in them -- and its that big a problem -- DEA investigators and enforcers ought to have begun cracking down on this years ago. A "WMD" designation unleashes a potential military can o' worms imo.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 7:02 pm to Neutral Underground
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They even sprinkle it on weed.
That isn’t a thing. Cross contamination is how it ends up in weed.
They package the weed at the same place they cut the other drugs.
This post was edited on 12/15/25 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 12/15/25 at 7:06 pm to Beessnax
The orange kool aid convinced you
Posted on 12/15/25 at 7:10 pm to TheOtherWhiteMeat
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Alcohol kills about 95,000 Americans annually, and that's counting all causes, not just consumption. LINK
Fentanyl comes in at about 80,000 annually, with each year fluctuating. And as of today is the #1 cause of death in people of ages 18-44. These numbers are direct overdoses, not things added like people killed in car wrecks, etc.
Not all people that OD on fentanyl are taking it on purpose, it's added to different drugs, especially other opiods and benzo's. So finding a hard number is difficult.
So no, alcohol does not kill twice as many people annually. And people DO choose to drink, not always the case with fentanyl.
CDC
Caused about 178,000 deaths each year.
This was a 29% increase from just a few years earlier (2016–2017), when there were an estimated 138,000 deaths per year.
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These numbers are direct overdoses, not things added like people killed in car wrecks, etc.
Another big point. While fetty car wrecks happen it’s not nearly the rate as drunk driving. When someone dies on fent it’s almost always the user. When someone dies due to alcohol who frickin knows, could just be a mom taking her kids from the grocery store at the wrong place at the wrong time
This post was edited on 12/15/25 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 12/15/25 at 7:20 pm to DavidTheGnome
CDC overestimates their numbers, just like they did with Covid. I wouldn't use the CDC for anything...including fentanyl, that's why I didn't use it.
I used 3 other sources and they all were pretty similar. I just posted one of the links but I could have posted 3. I also could have used 2023's number on fentanyl that was at 118,000 deaths. Again, direct consumption.
In direct consumption alcohol doesn't even come close. I don't even drink so I'm not biased. I'm just using multiple sources to get the numbers, it avoids biases that a single source may have (like the cdc).
Yes, that's why I added direct consumption, to emphasis how deadly fentanyl is. We don't actually know the number of deaths caused by people driving high on fentanyl. It could be very high or very low - who knows. Part of my point was that alcohol tends to be more dangerous to those that aren't even consuming it, not the ones consuming it.
I used 3 other sources and they all were pretty similar. I just posted one of the links but I could have posted 3. I also could have used 2023's number on fentanyl that was at 118,000 deaths. Again, direct consumption.
In direct consumption alcohol doesn't even come close. I don't even drink so I'm not biased. I'm just using multiple sources to get the numbers, it avoids biases that a single source may have (like the cdc).
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Another big point. While fetty car wrecks happen it’s not nearly the rate as drunk driving. When someone dies on fent it’s almost always the user. When someone dies due to alcohol who frickin knows, could just be a mom taking her kids from the grocery store at the wrong place at the wrong time
Yes, that's why I added direct consumption, to emphasis how deadly fentanyl is. We don't actually know the number of deaths caused by people driving high on fentanyl. It could be very high or very low - who knows. Part of my point was that alcohol tends to be more dangerous to those that aren't even consuming it, not the ones consuming it.
This post was edited on 12/15/25 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 12/15/25 at 7:31 pm to TheOtherWhiteMeat
Welp the NIH seems to agree with their studies. I’ll trust them vs muh can’t trust the CDC nonsense
LINK
And I don’t care either way, just answering the original question and pointing out the hypocrisy of fent are wmds but let’s all drink up.
If you want to make fent go away the solution is simple (and no doubling down on the "war" on it won’t do a thing. Make heroin available. Everyone would much rather do that anyways
LINK
And I don’t care either way, just answering the original question and pointing out the hypocrisy of fent are wmds but let’s all drink up.
If you want to make fent go away the solution is simple (and no doubling down on the "war" on it won’t do a thing. Make heroin available. Everyone would much rather do that anyways
Posted on 12/15/25 at 7:50 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Welp the NIH seems to agree with their studies
No better.
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And I don’t care either way
You seem to care a lot.
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Make heroin available
That's your solution? Seriously? That would have zero affect on fentanyl, none. So people who are taking opiods and benzo's will turn to heroin? I don't think so, Tim.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:35 pm to Timeoday
Hmm, I’m on the fence about this, I get trying to demonize the illegal shite but fentanyl was our only option on the boo-boo bus, phased out morphine years before I quit.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 10:46 pm to Timeoday
"We uhhh we gotta invade the hospitals, I have it on good authority they have WMDs"
Posted on 12/15/25 at 10:53 pm to Timeoday
quote:Oh FFS.
Trump ... is signing an executive order to classify Fentanyl as a WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:01 pm to Indefatigable
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They even sprinkle it on weed.
That isn’t a thing. Cross contamination is how it ends up in weed.
There is no doubt that somewhere, out there, there is someone playing puff-puff-pass on some intentionally laced weed. It probably has some cool sounding street name.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:08 pm to DMAN1968
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There is no doubt that somewhere, out there, there is someone playing puff-puff-pass on some intentionally laced weed. It probably has some cool sounding street name.
There is someone out there doing anything you can think of.
There isn’t any statistically relevant group or person poisoning their customers on purpose. Fent overdoses are overwhelmingly the result of stupidity—either on the part of the buyer or the supplier.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 4:38 am to Figgy
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That’s tragic. I hate it for the friends and family left behind to pick up the pieces and to have so many questions that they surely ask themselves. I’m sure the pain is still there for many of you. But as you said, they chose this… and I hate that lapse in judgment because it is so destructiv
I have zero pain. You have to march forward. I was probably more mad at him than sad.
Said goodbye to my dear 19 year old cousin and Marched forward. I keep his obituary card on me for remembrance.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 4:41 am to DavidTheGnome
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Alcohol. Bout twice that Edit. Waaaaaay more than that over last 100 years total, but still way more each year. Drink up
Alcohols is king
Kills way more people than fentanyl could ever imagine.
But alcohol is ok.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 4:44 am to TheOtherWhiteMeat
Your own link shows 150k dead from alcohol each year.
Where did you get 90k?
Embarrassing.
Where did you get 90k?
Embarrassing.
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