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re: Pornography is not conservative
Posted on 7/20/21 at 9:34 am to MAADFACTS
Posted on 7/20/21 at 9:34 am to MAADFACTS
She was attending publicly though. She’s a public figure and I believe she was posting from the event.
So you don’t have the option of letting her be a wallflower.
And she likely just bought a ticket to the convention like anyone else.
So you don’t have the option of letting her be a wallflower.
And she likely just bought a ticket to the convention like anyone else.
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 9:34 am to NC_Tigah
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Was she planning to film a scene on the TP stage?
Edgy.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 9:39 am to the808bass
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She was attending publicly though. She’s a public figure and I believe she was posting from the event.
I mean anyone can go to an event and post publicly. That doesn’t really change my stance. She’s not walking around with her Twitter handle around her neck. On the other hand, I realize there are potential repercussions for Turning Points either way, so you’ve won and I am fully in their side now
Posted on 7/20/21 at 9:42 am to the808bass
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This isn’t really clear at all. Most porn performers could fill two or three notebooks at a psychiatrist’s office.
Uh huh, yeah, no religious leader has ever been crazy as frick. I mean, do you want me to start a list or can we agree that a porn star neighbor would likely be preferable to many of these wack-arse preacher freaks?
Posted on 7/20/21 at 9:45 am to geauxturbo
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Uh huh, yeah, no religious leader has ever been crazy as frick. I mean, do you want me to start a list or can we agree that a porn star neighbor would likely be preferable to many of these wack-arse preacher freaks?
You’re stupid. I would much rather have the average pastor living next door than the average porn star. Anyone who says differently is retarded. I mean that in the nicest possible way.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 9:51 am to the808bass
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I would much rather have the average pastor living next door than the average porn star.
Average is not what I said. Point is, just because you are a porn star doesn't make you a bad person. Neither does being a Christian make you a good person. Anyone who thinks differently is retarded.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 9:57 am to geauxturbo
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Point is, just because you are a porn star doesn't make you a bad person. Neither does being a Christian make you a good person.
Being a Christian doesn’t make you a good person. Correct.
Choosing sex work as a procession is indicative of some fundamental issues that would definitely be helped by trained professionals. In the good old days of a few decades ago, it would be easy to make such a common sense statement.
I do have the dubious benefit of having a “pornstar” in the extended family who checked all the typical boxes. Sexually abused, drug addiction, generally taken advantage of by males for decades. And now she looks like she’s a walking corpse at the age of 50. And no one is beating down her door to hand her money. She’s been used up by the system you’re excited by. And she has been discarded. She will likely die alone and miserable and likely still addicted. Yay?
Posted on 7/20/21 at 9:59 am to Azkiger
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So when you order food at a restaurant, purchase a car, buy clothes, or even pick a wife, all those decision are arbitrary?
Context matters, and you're listing bunch of things that don't have a moral component. Ordering something that sounds good isn't typically described as arbitrary because that's the normal thought process. If you stretch that to include "Steak sounds good, I'm ordering a steak, therefore it's morally wrong for you to order the fish", then the word arbitrary becomes much more accurate. We don't typically associate personal whims with morality, and that's the difference.
Put another way, it wouldn't be described as arbitrary to choose a Toyota because they're reliable. It would be arbitrary to choose a Toyota because it's Tuesday. Basing morality on personal preference is more like the latter.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 9:59 am to geauxturbo
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Average is not what I said. Point is, just because you are a porn star doesn't make you a bad person. Neither does being a Christian make you a good person. Anyone who thinks differently is retarded.
How does this factor into not letting a celebrity in a non-conservative profession not come to a conservative event?
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:02 am to FooManChoo
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Because we must have a reason for what is. You demand it from me (and rightly so), so you must also provide a reason for what is according to your worldview.
These laws don't exist in any physical sense, nor do they exist in the sense that your supernatural deity does. You cannot detect them with your senses.
The only way they could be physically grounded would be chemically/electrically conceiving of them in your brain.
Asking for a source isn't the same as asking for a source for something material or supernatural.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:16 am to Flats
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If you stretch that to include "Steak sounds good, I'm ordering a steak, therefore it's morally wrong for you to order the fish", then the word arbitrary becomes much more accurate
Phrased like that, "Steak sounds good" does seem to have an arbitrary bend to it as steak may not "sound good" for dinner, or as a meal for tomorrow.
There's no moral component to the definition of the word arbitrary.
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Put another way, it wouldn't be described as arbitrary to choose a Toyota because they're reliable.
Why not, there's no morality inherent to that decision?
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It would be arbitrary to choose a Toyota because it's Tuesday. Basing morality on personal preference is more like the latter.
You may be moving the goal posts a bit here, what do you mean by "personal preference"?
I might prefer to have the all the possessions I want, but I may adhere to a set of moral standards that doesn't allow stealing and adhering to those moral standards is reasonable.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:37 am to Azkiger
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There's no moral component to the definition of the word arbitrary
I didn't say there was, I said that context in which you use it matters. There are decisions that we fully expect to be informed by personal preferences, and there are decisions that we don't expect to be informed by personal preferences. You're pointing to the former and acting as if the same reasoning applies to the latter.
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You may be moving the goal posts a bit here, what do you mean by "personal preference"?
No goalpost moving, call it whatever you like. Subjective opinion, personal preference, they both point to the same thing.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:44 am to Flats
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Subjective opinion, personal preference, they both point to the same thing.
I mean, if you 100% ignore what I said immediately following that quote, yea I guess you're correct.
EDIT: You need to also ignore your comment about choosing a Toyota for reliability. If at the end of the day it's all subjective opinion/personal preference that decision would also be completely arbitrary.
This post was edited on 7/20/21 at 10:56 am
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:55 am to Azkiger
quote:My apologies. I was focused on the typical comparison of Israelite slavery to modern slavery, which isn't very comparable, even with similarities existing.
"Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession."
Exodus 21:16
Seems the focus is on kidnapping, not keeping/selling. Is the buyer of the kidnapped person also to be killed? That's not mentioned, which is telling.
On my phone, gonna edit in the verse I'm talking about.
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
Leviticus 25:44-46
Yes, they could buy slaves from other nations, however slaves were not chattel slaves as we think of it, and had rights that prevented them from being entirely dehumanized and made property as we think of property (runaway slaves were not commanded to be returned, for instance).
Posted on 7/20/21 at 11:00 am to FooManChoo
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and made property as we think of property
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46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
If even foreign slaves were treated with respect and had so many rights, and were not "property" why not treat your fellow Israelites the same way? Maybe because it was seen as "ruthless"?
Posted on 7/20/21 at 11:00 am to Azkiger
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EDIT: You need to also ignore your comment about choosing a Toyota for reliability. If at the end of the day it's all subjective opinion/personal preference that decision would also be completely arbitrary.
Correct, which is what you got wrong earlier in the discussion. "Not arbitrary" makes necessary assumptions about what a person values, in this case reliability. "If we accept A, then B is not arbitrary" would be one way to look at it.
That's why morality based on opinion is arbitrary by definition. You have no A to start with; it's opinions all the way down. Not a big deal when choosing a car, but it has some pretty big ramifications in a society.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 11:02 am to anc
Yeah and guns kill people
Posted on 7/20/21 at 11:34 am to Flats
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Correct, which is what you got wrong earlier in the discussion. "Not arbitrary" makes necessary assumptions about what a person values, in this case reliability. "If we accept A, then B is not arbitrary" would be one way to look at it.
That's why morality based on opinion is arbitrary by definition. You have no A to start with; it's opinions all the way down. Not a big deal when choosing a car, but it has some pretty big ramifications in a society.
This goes back to an earlier point I made that you rejected.
If the above is true, why are non-moral based decisions exempt from your above reasoning?
Why are your choices in food, wife, car, clothes, etc. not also ultimately completely arbitrary since it's "opinions all the way down"?
Posted on 7/20/21 at 11:51 am to SlowFlowPro
dont forget he tweets mean things
Posted on 7/20/21 at 11:59 am to the808bass
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I would much rather have an average pastor than a average porn star living next door
average
True except for the ex-President of Liberty College who represented both an average pastor and an average home porn star all wrapped up in one.
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