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re: Pope (emeritus) Benedict has died
Posted on 1/2/23 at 6:22 pm to Cajunbobsled
Posted on 1/2/23 at 6:22 pm to Cajunbobsled
quote:Sam Harris couldn't think his way out of a paper bag. In fact, I think he lives in one.
If you wake up and pray over your pancakes so that they turn into the body of Elvis Presley your insane but if you wake up and pray over a cracker that it’s the body of Jesus your just a catholic..
Nietzsche said "God is dead." The New Atheism of Harris is somehow even worse off.
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Posted on 1/2/23 at 6:27 pm to Dirk Dawgler
Are you asking about scriptural evidence for the word "pope", or scriptural evidence for Peter and then his successors being the earthly leader of Christ's church?
Posted on 1/2/23 at 6:36 pm to Cajunbobsled
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From Sam Harris:
Another "thought" leader for mid-wit white male atheists without a positive father figure.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 6:41 pm to Stitches
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The Catholic Church doesn't teach that you can "achieve" salvation. It outright condemns work-based salvation. It teaches that salvation is a free gift from God alone, known as Grace.
It’s really hard for us to take you seriously when plenary (full) indulgences (for sin) are received when one publicly recites the Te Deum prayer at the end of the year.
If that’s not an earned transaction, I don’t know what is.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 6:48 pm to bayoubengals88
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It’s really hard for us to take you seriously when plenary (full) indulgences (for sin) are received when one publicly recites the Te Deum prayer at the end of the year.
If that’s not an earned transaction, I don’t know what is.
Indulgences do not forgive sin. The definition of indulgences presupposes that forgiveness has already taken place.
Swing and a miss champ.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 6:51 pm to Stitches
Oh, a cocky Catholic, one true Church kinda fella. Nothing worse.
So, what’s the point of an indulgence. Has it no effect? Or does the prior forgiveness have no effect?
House of cards.
So, what’s the point of an indulgence. Has it no effect? Or does the prior forgiveness have no effect?
House of cards.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 6:51 pm to Stitches
Downvoted for the terrible attitude.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 6:54 pm to VolcanicTiger
This is what is fascinating to me about the religious, they can't make a comment or defend it without letting emotion overwhelm them vs rational thought. Just admit you believe all of this as an article of faith and not based on any kind of facts. It's ok sir to believe things on faith but you have quite a bit to prove that any of this is based on actual evidence. I don't say there is no God I say there is no personal God that cares about you and what you do. As far as popes being vicars of christ that is quite simply incomprehensible and based off zero evidence at all minus the Bible which is a man written book. Just an opinion on my part because I would be the first to tell you I have no idea. You are the one that says you know. How you know I have no idea but if it comforts you then good. I'm sure the Mormons know Joseph Smith was also spoken to by God, it's all man made my friend doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy the community that churches provide I am fully aware people need that and i'm glad they have it to be honest.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 6:58 pm to bayoubengals88
And Freud said God is Dad, not sure of your point?
Posted on 1/2/23 at 6:58 pm to Cajunbobsled
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they can't make a comment or defend it without letting emotion overwhelm them vs rational thought.
My blood only boils with Roman Catholics and Mormons after two beers.
I love atheists. I understand why they don’t believe in God.
Any defense of Roman Catholicism becomes absurd pretty quickly, but I do acknowledge that they are Christians. The fact that they do not extend that same charity is infuriating. Especially when your church resembles the first century more than there’s does.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 6:59 pm to Cajunbobsled
You mean man is God right, so you're god
Posted on 1/2/23 at 7:00 pm to Cajunbobsled
quote:My point is that New Atheism shouldn’t be taken seriously. It’s no longer in vogue. It has many holes.
And Freud said God is Dad, not sure of your point?
I thought that was clear.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 7:06 pm to bayoubengals88
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Oh, a cocky Catholic, one true Church kinda fella. Nothing worse.
Ah, a cocky Protestant, one Holy Spirit inspired true interpretation of scripture which somehow led to 20,000 different denominations kinda fella.
Nah, just a convert who knows the argument from both sides and understands that Catholicism is true and doesn't beat around the bush about it.
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So, what’s the point of an indulgence. Has it no effect? Or does the prior forgiveness have no effect?
Understanding that, although our sins are forgiven due to Christ, temporal punishment for those sins can still remain. Indulgences can help reduce the severity of those temporal punishments.
Emphasis on the temporal part.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 7:07 pm to bayoubengals88
I don't know much of new atheism, in case you missed my point I believe in a God I just don't see where there is any evidence at all that religions are needed to appreciate this devine being. If I did believe that, I'd be very confused due to the fact there are so many religions which one do I sign up for? Buddhism,Mormonism, Catholicism, Islam, Baptist, Methodist, etc. etc. etc. I do not think a personal God would want his creations to struggle to figure out which one is right. I may be wrong but if he is truly a good God I believe when we meet he will appreciate the fact I actually put some thought into my belief vs just believing what I grew up being taught.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 7:07 pm to bayoubengals88
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Especially when your church resembles the first century more than there’s does.
Studying the early church fathers and what they believed is what made me realize that Catholicism is true.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 7:14 pm to Stitches
I love to read so which church fathers do you recommend I research?
Posted on 1/2/23 at 7:25 pm to VolcanicTiger
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At least I follow the Bible
Says he follows the Bible. Ridicules communion as tasty snacks.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 7:29 pm to Cajunbobsled
quote:The only thing there is is materialism. You and I are just atoms and molecules. Everything is predetermined and feelings aren't real.
I don't know much of new atheism,
This position got really popular in the late 90s/early 2000s under Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, and Dennett, but it's definitely waned in popularity, as we see that there is no way to achieve societal wide atheism while maintaining order and morality.
This 2013 article is excellent regarding that topic. Here's a quote:
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Some of the biologists thought the materialist view of the world should be taught and explained to the wider public in its true, high-octane, Crickian form. Then common, nonintellectual people might see that a purely random universe without purpose or free will or spiritual life of any kind isn’t as bad as some superstitious people—religious people—have led them to believe.
Daniel Dennett took a different view. While it is true that materialism tells us a human being is nothing more than a “moist robot”—a phrase Dennett took from a Dilbert comic—we run a risk when we let this cat, or robot, out of the bag. If we repeatedly tell folks that their sense of free will or belief in objective morality is essentially an illusion, such knowledge has the potential to undermine civilization itself, Dennett believes. Civil order requires the general acceptance of personal responsibility, which is closely linked to the notion of free will. Better, said Dennett, if the public were told that “for general purposes” the self and free will and objective morality do indeed exist—that colors and sounds exist, too—“just not in the way they think.” They “exist in a special way,” which is to say, ultimately, not at all.
On this point the discussion grew testy at times.
Regarding a personal God, I believe in Christianity because it makes the highest of claims and goes further than any religion has ever dared. God became man to redeem mankind. It is the greatest conceivable story. So great, that every other story ever told has to incorporate aspects of it in some way, whether knowingly or not.
Please, when I say Christianity, know that I'm talking about Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism, and all 8 billion Protestant denominations out there (or however many Stitches says there are).
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 1/2/23 at 7:36 pm to Stitches
quote:There are about three Reformation era confessions that explain the essence of Protestantism, and I don't acknowledge anything after the 18th century. Nor should anyone else. If you're not confessional, you're not Protestant, technically.
Ah, a cocky Protestant, one Holy Spirit inspired true interpretation of scripture which somehow led to 20,000 different denominations kinda fella.
What denomination did you convert from. This should tell all.
quote:Purgatory was invented to justify indulgences. Isn't it obvious?
Indulgences can help reduce the severity of those temporal punishments.
Still seems like Christ wasn't enough for you. How else can I see it?
Posted on 1/2/23 at 7:40 pm to catholictigerfan
quote:If the gospel is supposed to be simple, you've got to ask yourself, when, how, and why did Roman Catholicism become so complicated, because it definitely is.
“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
When? Fifth century onward. Definitely in 1075 and 1215.
How? Encyclicals, Canon Law, Lateran Councils
Why? Power, status, wealth, power, status, wealth.
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 7:44 pm
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