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re: Poll: Protestants decline, more have no religion in a sharply shifting religious landscape
Posted on 5/11/18 at 7:48 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
Posted on 5/11/18 at 7:48 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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It's not easy. We have experienced this in the Episcopal denomination. Staying, staying, staying praying and hoping things would change only to watch trendy innovations and theological poison become doctrine and practice. We were fortunate to find a small (Anglican) Episcopal body in Baton Rouge near campus which has quietly remained theologically and liturgically sound throughout all the sound and fury.
Baptist churches faced similar challenges starting in the 80s with the charismatic movement. The result in many areas was a split along those lines, so there might be a charismatic church and a conservative church in the same area and formed from what was the same congregation.
Edit: Actually began in the 70s and picked up steam in the 80s.
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 8:01 pm
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 8:05 pm to TheHarahanian
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Lots of churches turned their services into a pop/rock concert followed by a pep rally.
Oh yes, sir. They will wow the youth of today with age old hymns sung by grandmothers.
You are out of touch and strictly using your judgemental opinion right there...sinner.
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If religion doesn’t provide some moral direction it’s useless.
Maybe, just maybe, indeed, it is RELIGION that is forcing these numbers of turnaround. Jesus butted heads with the RELIGIOUS daily. Have you read The Word?
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And sometimes that means delivering sermons that don’t leave people feeling good about themselves.
Sin makes people feel poorly about themselves. Jesus frees and breaks bondage (that ought to make anyone feel great)...even to those that go to big churches with a rock sound.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 8:06 pm to bfniii
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do you think there is absolutely NO objective truth in religion? that's what he said.
No, that isn't what he said.
There's no objective truth that's exclusive to religion.
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that religion is subjective.
That isn't the same as "absolutely NO objective truth in religion."
You're throwing around insults about his intelligence that are hard to give meaning to considering the posts you've made in the thread.
Most of what you said is wrong, and the rest is little more than your assumptions.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 8:07 pm to Man4others
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Protestants don’t have a clear message and are constantly changing their doctrine. Catholics are firm in their beliefs & doctrine so they haven’t seen any decline
Now that's funny right there - don't care who ya are!
Posted on 5/11/18 at 8:09 pm to bfniii
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is this yet again the misunderstanding that there can't be more than one type of worship style? because i've responded to that about 5 times already.
No. It was a general observation not specifically directed to particular style of worship.
To a large extent, I was thinking of something C. S. Lewis referred to as "liturgical fidget" particularly as it applied to the Church of England's plans to revise and update their Book of Common Prayer.
The 1928 American Book of Common Prayer was revised in the mid 70s with considerable opposition from many in the clergy and among the laity. It was all done, as these things are often done, with many "conversations", committees, and input from "stakeholders" (though that term then was not fashionable).
Among other things, the opposition was promised that the new book was a trial subject to the denomination's approval (through use) and that individual dioceses and parishes could retain the old version if they wished. That promise was as good as "you can keep your insurance and doctors with no increase in your premiums.
As far as worship "styles" is concerned, I choose to worship where the substance, form, and order is of an ancient lineage passed on to us from the Apostles and Church Fathers. I choose this liturgical approach because it is focused first and foremost on God and facilitates my approaching the Almighty with appropriate reverence and profound humility. Each hymn is a sermon and prayer unto itself and prayers are focused and strengthen my weak will, feeble words, and my straying thoughts and joins them with other worshippers and offers them to God.
I do not criticize another's style of worship nor compell them to worship as I do. I only say that I have been around the non-denominational, independent, seeker-sensitive, and denominational block in my 65 years and I now worship at a place and in a manner I wish I had discovered in my 20s.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 8:12 pm to Bayou
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Sin makes people feel poorly about themselves.
You’re a jackass and missed half the point of the post in your rush to proselytize. 50:50 you’re a Baptist minister.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 8:19 pm to TheHarahanian
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You’re a jackass and missed half the point of the post in your rush to proselytize. 50:50 you’re a Baptist minister.
Sounds like you've really absorbed the sermons at your church, sir. Not a Baptist either. Our church does have a large stage and killer music though!
You ought to hear our messages and then try to come back with the comments you left. You'd feel convicted and embarrassed, sir.Posted on 5/11/18 at 8:21 pm to Bayou
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TheHarahanian
It's that RELIGIOUS attitude that I hear from most youths why they don't want to be associated with any church.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 8:28 pm to Bayou
1. Love The Lord God with all your heart
2. Love your neighbor as yourself
This can be done very well even if your church plays youthful Worship music.
2. Love your neighbor as yourself
This can be done very well even if your church plays youthful Worship music.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:21 pm to Boatshoes
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Leftist churches are populated by faithless people who attend based on the inertia of their upbringing
Who are you to pass judgement on any person's faith?
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:30 pm to Argonaut
quote:yes it is. almost verbatim.
No, that isn't what he said.
quote:that's nowhere near close to what he said. and your point is debatable anyway. "science" is constrained by methodological naturalism. anything metaphysical/supernatural is beyond the purview of science. however, that is not the case for religion. so in a sense, there is objective truth that is exclusive to religion. even stephen jay gould agrees with that (NOMA).
There's no objective truth that's exclusive to religion.
quote:i get the impression you didn't absorb what he typed. he said religion is subjective whereas people used to treat it objectively. of course, his point was stupid
That isn't the same as "absolutely NO objective truth in religion."
quote:i never insulted anyone. i may have insulted something someone said. big difference.
You're throwing around insults about his intelligence that are hard to give meaning to considering the posts you've made in the thread.
quote:we'll have to agree to disagree. you haven't made one point other than to misunderstand what he repeatedly said
Most of what you said is wrong, and the rest is little more than your assumptions
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:33 pm to bfniii
Churches that play K-Love music are dying in Mississippi. We want that olde time religion.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 1:10 am to matthew25
Southern Baptists are in decline and have been for several years. Here is a summary from a SBC seminary study.
The denomination is down to its “lowest baptisms since 1946; lowest membership since 1990; lowest worship attendance since 1996,” according to historical analysis from New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary.
“The true bad news is that when you put last year in the context of all previous years, it indicates the SBC is in the midst of a decline that shows no signs of either slowing down or turning around,” said Chuck Kelly, the seminary’s president.
The denomination is down to its “lowest baptisms since 1946; lowest membership since 1990; lowest worship attendance since 1996,” according to historical analysis from New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary.
“The true bad news is that when you put last year in the context of all previous years, it indicates the SBC is in the midst of a decline that shows no signs of either slowing down or turning around,” said Chuck Kelly, the seminary’s president.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 2:46 am to bfniii
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yes it is. almost verbatim.
No it isn't, and so far you haven't bothered to explain your assumptions or your misunderstanding of what he said.
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that's nowhere near close to what he said.
That's what I said. I even started a new paragraph so you wouldn't get confused.
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and your point is debatable anyway. "science" is constrained by methodological naturalism. anything metaphysical/supernatural is beyond the purview of science. however, that is not the case for religion. so in a sense, there is objective truth that is exclusive to religion. even stephen jay gould agrees with that (NOMA).
Objectivity exists in mythology. That's the argument you're going with? Interesting...
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i get the impression you didn't absorb what he typed.
I get the impression that you're not absorbing anything.
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i never insulted anyone.
Yes you did. It's even better that you can't be bothered to be intelligent in your responses. "You don't understand" is not accurate or compelling. Reset yourself and come at it again.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 2:52 am to bfniii
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implying
This is where all of your posts fall apart. You're making assumptions, like I said. He made a point that you didn't like, and you decided to fill in the gaps to make whatever point you're trying to make.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 6:20 am to Argonaut
The Church is not a building or denomination you go to. It's amovement that you choose whether or not to be part of. Faith is a verb. Love
Posted on 5/12/18 at 6:24 am to Bench McElroy
Why do anti-religion bigots care so much about what other people believe?
I have never been religious, don't care what other people believe, never talk about it, never would if asshats didn't bring it up.
I have never been religious, don't care what other people believe, never talk about it, never would if asshats didn't bring it up.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 6:30 am to gthog61
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Why do anti-religion bigots care so much about what other people believe?
Yep. People who have never had "religion" in their lives are poor representatives of what religion is or isn't.
Don't know about the rest of you guys but I try not to appear an authority on a subject that I have had no experience with.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 7:45 am to gthog61
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Why do anti-religion bigots care so much about what other people believe?
Why do religious bigots care so much about what I believe? That happens at a much higher volume.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 7:50 am to Argonaut
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Why do religious bigots care so much about what I believe?
Not a bigot, but Christians are kinda tasked with spreading the gospel in hopes that more souls will receive everlasting life.
I'm not too good at that. I really don't give a frick about your soul.
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