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re: Plot Twist: Truth Social tipped off the FBI about Craig Robertson
Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:16 pm to boosiebadazz
Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:16 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
Apparently they already tried that approach. Here’s what your hero said after:
My “hero”?
No. They didn’t have a warrant, he didn’t have to talk with them. Pesky little thing about his rights. Same deal if a police officer just wants to chat and ask you questions, you don’t have to allow yourself to be randomly interrogated.
There was a right way, and wrong way to handle the situation. Since he was under surveillance they should’ve approached him in his yard on the way to his car.
If two FBI agents with a warrant can’t handle an obese, disabled 75 year old who needs a cane to get around maybe they should be in a different line of work.
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Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:17 pm to Fun Bunch
Sending agents to question somebody shouldn’t be a death sentence.
Nobody roughed up Kathy Griffin, even though it looks like they might have. It’s funny how it always tends to go this way with one side of the aisle.
Nobody roughed up Kathy Griffin, even though it looks like they might have. It’s funny how it always tends to go this way with one side of the aisle.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:20 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:why? what is he going to do? Hit them with his cane? Get the drop on an FBI Tactical team and shoot one of them?
They would have still had to storm him by surprising him in his driveway.
quote:
Most would say that is being overly aggressive to an elderly man. Imagine a bunch of agents rushing to surround an old man in his driveway without giving the man the option of surrendering peacefully on his own.
who gives a shite what anyone would say? since when does that matter?
giving an angry old man an option is what directly lead to his death. He chose the violence option. Dont give him an option and he is probably still alive
Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:22 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
The FBI chose this tactic knowing damn well the high probability that it would escalate into violence.
Of course they did.
Pretty common on the news to see if a SWAT team surrounds your house it won’t end well.
They certainly had other options, they simply chose not to use them.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:30 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:
You weren't asking a question though. You have been saying the FBI handled this poorly without any basis for that opinion outside of general distrust of government.
I have?
I think you invented that. If fact, I laid out two different scenarios...one that would justify the killing of the man in his home...and one that would not.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:31 pm to riccoar
You’ve never seen me criticize the Breonna Taylor situation 
Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:48 pm to boosiebadazz
ironically if they did the no knock they probably would have stood a better chance of surprising him
Posted on 8/11/23 at 2:02 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
My whole contention is that an FBI SWAT raid wasn’t necessary to apprehend a 75 year old disabled veteran. The guy probably had the agility of a sloth. There are other safer ways to apprehend him, but you insist there’s not.
The FBI chose this tactic knowing damn well the high probability that it would escalate into violence.
It's been explained to you why you're wrong, over and over again.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 2:09 pm to riverdiver
quote:
They didn’t have a warrant
quote:
If two FBI agents with a warrant
Pick one, already.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 2:45 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:This guy wasn't holding any information that anyone needed.
Okay Mickey, you are a LEO in charge of apprehending a suspect. Your supervisors tell you, “Mickey, this guy has some information that we desperately need. We need you to take him alive so we can interrogate him. We need this information from him.”
Do you conduct a SWAT raid on his home, or do you devise another plan where you can apprehend him by surprise thus mitigating the chance of resistance and thus the killing of the suspect?
What do you do Mickey?
The purpose of the warrant and engaging with him was to find out if he was a violent ahole. Maybe giving him the option to shoot it out at home is the easiest way to find out? Guess what? He was a violent ahole.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 2:57 pm to BayouBlitz
quote:
Pick one, already.
I don’t have to pick one.
As I’d stated earlier, the one time they went to his house to talk they didn’t have a warrant, so he was under no obligation to deal with them.
I also earlier stated all they had to do was get a warrant, and since they reportedly had him under surveillance all they had to do was stop him on the way to his car.
Not complicated.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 3:00 pm to Fun Bunch
I wonder if they expected things to turn out as they did?
Posted on 8/11/23 at 3:01 pm to supatigah
quote:
giving an angry old man an option is what directly lead to his death. He chose the violence option. Dont give him an option and he is probably still alive
Are you hearing yourself? You are blaming law enforcement (aka the government) for giving a private citizen options and arguing they should have eliminated the chance for him to surrender peacefully on his own.
I mean...seriously people.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 3:06 pm to moneyg
My bad, I mixed you up with Gumbo 
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 8/11/23 at 3:38 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:
I wonder if they expected things to turn out as they did?
Probably.
He had an arsenal.
He posted violent screeds about killing people.
He was a major ahole when they tried to talk to him peacefully.
He threatened to shoot the agents that tried talking to him the next time they came back.
Pretty sure they expected violence and were prepared. Good riddance.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 3:53 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:Of course they did. Why do you think they came loaded for bear.
I wonder if they expected things to turn out as they did?
Wanna know how they could have de-escalated the situation. Send two agents to his home to talk to him. Have one of them stay in the car watching. One agent goes to talk to him in his doorway. Would have been completely non-threatening.
But no. Show up with 30 jackbooted thugs armed to the teeth to murder him.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 3:56 pm to mmcgrath
quote:FIFY
Pretty sure they expected violence and were prepared and happy when it happened.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 3:59 pm to mmcgrath
I guess FAFO doesn't apply to old white guys who hate the government. At least not on this board.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 4:01 pm to mmcgrath
quote:You people know absolutely nothing about human nature.
Probably.
He had an arsenal.
He posted violent screeds about killing people.
He was a major ahole when they tried to talk to him peacefully.
He threatened to shoot the agents that tried talking to him the next time they came back.
Mr. Robertson likely didn’t trust the FBI (who can blame him) and thought they are nothing but jackbooted thugs. So how would you combat that? Send a small army of jackbooted thugs to arrest him? They literally did exactly what he thought they were going to do.
Do y’all have any perception of “threatening” by law enforcement?
Seriously? “Hey FBI, you’re nothing but jackbooted thugs controlled by corrupt leftist politicians.”
“No we’re not! And if you keep saying this, we’ll send a SWAT team to your home and murder you!”
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 8/11/23 at 4:06 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
Wanna know how they could have de-escalated the situation. Send two agents to his home to talk to him. Have one of them stay in the car watching. One agent goes to talk to him in his doorway. Would have been completely non-threatening.
So after 2 agents tried doing that the day before without the warrant, he then threatens the FBI agents on facebook. You then think it's reasonable for a single agent to go up to his door the next day? Do you care about that agent's life at all? How incompetent would the FBI look if they sent a single agent to the guys door after his last post online and the agent was shot/killed? They had the warning right there in front of them.
You're not looking at this objectively at all.
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