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re: Pictures of ground breaking of $1.3 billion aluminum facility in Ky.... 1800 jobs
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:43 am to Jjdoc
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:43 am to Jjdoc
Although the Braidy Industries website states, "With plant construction underway, we are looking for people to join the Braidy Industries team," it's hard to find any pics of actual construction at the site. The groundbreaking was on June 1st, nearly two months ago.
Couple this with Gov. Bevin's hesitancy to declare his intentions to run for reelection, " Bevin undecided on re-election, still fundraising for previous campaign, and an odious aroma begins to settle around the project. Something may be rotten in the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
Couple this with Gov. Bevin's hesitancy to declare his intentions to run for reelection, " Bevin undecided on re-election, still fundraising for previous campaign, and an odious aroma begins to settle around the project. Something may be rotten in the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:45 am to Jjdoc
tax cuts, tariffs, and corporate welfare all rolled into one
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:46 am to TJGator1215
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And the tax $ handouts:
Why does it bother you how Kentucky goes about attracting businesses?
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And this:
So what? Again, why does it bother you how Kentucky or any other state goes about attracting businesses?
This is common with almost every state that is bidding for a big businesses to come to their area.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:55 am to MrLarson
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So what? Again, why does it bother you how Kentucky or any other state goes about attracting businesses?
This is common with almost every state that is bidding for a big businesses to come to their area.
It is what it is.
However, the state of KY offers tax credits LINK
A lot of conservatives are generally opposed to full fledged credits. However, the tone tends to shift depending on who is getting them. For example, this board hates Tesla for the most part. Just search "Tesla" and see what you find
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 10:56 am
Posted on 8/20/18 at 10:58 am to Kentucker
The state apparently pissed off both sides als0 1000 of those jobs are temporary
Then there's the governor using state $ to buy 20% of the company his former cabinet members are board members.
Crony capitalism at its finest:
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Then if the company starts to fail ky may bail them out.
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Lawmakers were told only that Kentucky beat another state's offer to win an unspecified, $1.3 billion project that would create about 1,000 temporary construction jobs and 500 permanent ones somewhere in Eastern Kentucky
Then there's the governor using state $ to buy 20% of the company his former cabinet members are board members.
Crony capitalism at its finest:
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Unlike information about Braidy Industries' investors and finances, it's easier to get details about the company's current executive lineup, which includes Nate Haney, a former deputy secretary for the governor's executive cabinet who is now Braidy's senior vice president of government relations.
Haney's LinkedIn account says he left the Bevin administration around December 2016. Bouchard said Price introduced him to Haney sometime later, and by June, Haney was working for Braidy Industries.
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Then if the company starts to fail ky may bail them out.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 11:02 am to MrLarson
It's a waste of taxpayer $ and it goes into the pockets of the company and not the community like was promised. It's the modern version of carpetbagging
Posted on 8/20/18 at 11:07 am to TJGator1215
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Taxpayers are accustomed to seeing state and local governments draw up sweetheart deals with big businesses and sports teams at a gargantuan cost. Defenders of crony capitalism say opponents of such favoritism are shortsighted. Bribing corporations to move to their state, they say, ultimately benefits everyone by contributing to economic growth and growing tax revenues.
In trying to lure Amazon to Maryland with a multibillion-dollar package of subsidies and targeted tax breaks, Gov. Larry Hogan called Amazon’s proposed new headquarters the “single greatest economic development opportunity in a generation … that makes Maryland competitive with any state or city in the country — we’re playing to win.”
But what if narrow giveaways to business behemoths actually make states less competitive over the long run? A recent study by Troy University scholars demonstrates that “economic development” aid rarely delivers the goods of higher state growth and economic freedom. The results underscore the need for state taxpayers to remain vigilant against shortsighted attempts to lure in industry.
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Good Jobs First, a government watchdog, analyzed 4,200 state government contracts doled out from 2007 to 2014 and found that around 90 percent of monetary value accrued to large corporations, those with more than 100 employees. These enticements could, in theory, create a domino effect of prosperity for the host state and its residents. Data across states and localities show that government revenue is tightly correlated with economic growth and development. Government-led projects could more than pay for themselves, then, if they generate sufficient economic growth.
Yet this rarely happens. Of 32 peer-reviewed studies on the impact of targeted subsidies on the community at large, only three find a positive impact. Moreover, case studies examining development programs in Arkansas, Florida, and Missouri fail to show any correlation between subsidization and private job growth. The Troy University scholars also examined the impact on state corporate aid on the size of government, including tax rates and spending levels. Rather than make more money available in state coffers for tax reductions, the study’s authors find that “states that use targeted incentives most intensely have lower levels of economic freedom.”
Washington examiner
Posted on 8/20/18 at 11:09 am to TJGator1215
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It's a waste of taxpayer $ and it goes into the pockets of the company and not the community like was promised. It's the modern version of carpetbagging
Which States don't have some form of cronyism?
I certainly don't mind tax breaks. if the industry isn't there to begin with the State isn't getting any tax revenue from it anyway.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 11:39 am to Jjdoc
Kentucky is rolling with these steel companies. My company built a steel mill in 2016-2017. We are currently building one now. We barely lost out on the Novellis project. Now I just heard about this one. Good for Kentucky. They must have some crazy state incentives.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 11:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
Excuses. Excuses. It's ok to rob someone because it creates jerbs!!
The gop 2018
The gop 2018
Posted on 8/20/18 at 11:44 am to TJGator1215
Now you say taxes are theft?!? Beautiful. You are so dumb you don’t even realize what you are saying.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 11:45 am
Posted on 8/20/18 at 11:48 am to I B Freeman
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Why would anyone be surprised a company that is the benefactor of government protectionism is building a plant?
It's not protection. It's a level playing field. There is a difference.
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They are charging their US customers 25% more than before. They should be cash flush.
Video cards for computers are sky high now because of Bitcoin. It would be a perfect time for a new competitor to drive down the cost.
AND that's what is happening here. Plants opening everywhere. The cost will come down.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 11:49 am to member12
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Wish some of that would go to Louisiana and Mississippi.
MS got a boost... not much though. 50ish jobs... LOL.. but it's 50 more than they had.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 11:50 am to TJGator1215
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Excuses. Excuses. It's ok to rob someone because it creates jerbs!!
Robbing someone = charging tax. Not letting people keep their own money.
Only a committed commie would think like you do.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 11:52 am to TJGator1215
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Then there's the governor using state $ to buy 20% of the company his former cabinet members are board members.
This is the part that bodes ill for Kentucky taxpayers. 20% is a $320 million investment in a company that was just founded in 2016 by Craig T. Bouchard, a writer of books. Bevin won the governership in 2015.
So, a novice entrepreneur convinces a carpetbagging governor, Bevin is a native of New Hampshire who has lived in Kentucky since 1999, to put the state's taxpayers on the hook for $320 million plus tax incentives. We have every right to be, and should be, very nervous about the viability of the plant.
Bevin has already made a clunker of a decision in giving the Ark Encounter, an Answers in Genesis project, massive tax incentives (many say illegally since AIG is a religious ministry) and roads. That $100 million "Christian Fantasyland" has stalled because of poor attendance and ridiculous admission costs and may go belly up within the next few years.
One has to speculate about the details of the deal Bevin made with Bouchard for the aluminum rolling plant. What happens to the $320 million if it never materializes? Is it a masterful scam perpetrated by Bevin and Bouchard? Will it validate Kentucky's reputation for having the most corrupt government in America?
Considering that Kentucky already has one of the biggest aluminum rolling plants in America in Hawesville, also on the Ohio River, the reality of another plant seems to be iffy at best.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 11:57 am to Jjdoc
They need to do a billion dollar carp processing facility next to Kentucky lake.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:01 pm to Kentucker
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Considering that Kentucky already has one of the biggest aluminum rolling plants in America in Hawesville, also on the Ohio River, the reality of another plant seems to be iffy at best
Pretty big plant in lewisport as well
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:02 pm to MrCarton
It'll have to wait until the crap processing facility in Frankfort is finished.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 12:06 pm to Powerman
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Pretty big plant in lewisport as well
All other aluminum plants in Kentucky are below the Falls of the Ohio, near Louisville. This reduces the cost of shipping by river. The proposed plant near Ashland is above the falls. Doesn't make sense.
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