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Posted on 12/8/18 at 1:22 pm to DaBindah
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Are you being facetious?
Ummmm....yaaa?
Posted on 12/8/18 at 1:23 pm to MuricanRavioli
Simple: * Do business with someone who has to earn your business plus wants your business and only the best earner's survive (private doctor's) vs doing business with someone has has to serve you. And get's paid whether he does anything or not and views you as a bother and get back to me. I have had amle experience with both.
* Cost. A well run private practice rewards the high quality, and economically streamlined run business. People using other folks $$ soon find out the river never runs dry since the tax payers get hung either way it goes. Your taxes will go through the roof. Certain groups of people go to the doctor whether they are sick or not, whether they need to or not and that costs money.
* Government workers get paid and never lose their jobs regardless. They are on average not paid well at all and the worst of the worst are attracted. Go get a doctor in Cuba and then if you wait long enough and don't die or become disabled while waiting and survive the treatment you can't complain to anyone. Since the government doesn't even have a Helen Waite any longer.
* Innovation. There is genuine competition and new discovery that will be blunted with government run med.
* Cost. A well run private practice rewards the high quality, and economically streamlined run business. People using other folks $$ soon find out the river never runs dry since the tax payers get hung either way it goes. Your taxes will go through the roof. Certain groups of people go to the doctor whether they are sick or not, whether they need to or not and that costs money.
* Government workers get paid and never lose their jobs regardless. They are on average not paid well at all and the worst of the worst are attracted. Go get a doctor in Cuba and then if you wait long enough and don't die or become disabled while waiting and survive the treatment you can't complain to anyone. Since the government doesn't even have a Helen Waite any longer.
* Innovation. There is genuine competition and new discovery that will be blunted with government run med.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 1:24 pm to MuricanRavioli
See VA period.....
Posted on 12/8/18 at 1:26 pm to MuricanRavioli
We can't afford it.
Quality of healthcare will deteriorate.
Quality of healthcare will deteriorate.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 1:29 pm to Dale51
universal? you mean in the whole world?
because why would we stop at our borders?
Exactly. Healthcare is a human right!
oh ok, then the U S should start immediately to provide healthcare for the entire planet and you should start giving away NOW all of your money and possessions to give to those that do not have your idea of healthcare, otherwise it is not believable that anyone actually believes this
Healthcare, or any other socialist objective; food, housing, or guaranteed income IS NOT A RIGHT. It is not an inalienable human right. An inalienable human right is the right to freedom of speech, the right to pursue happiness, the right to worship, the right of assembly and of a free press. These are human rights that can only be denied or restricted, but no one can eradicate those inalienable human rights. A human right is not something a person can give to another; something like the right to health care, that is a thing, not a human right.
Guaranteeing others a standard of health care is not a human right. It may be a moral standard that people advocate, but it is not an inalienable human right. If that were true, then one would not be required to work in order to receive it (one can assume this would include nutrition and housing). If it’s a human right, then I demand mine right now and I don’t have to do anything to earn it. If one has to work for it, then it’s certainly not a human right. And if the burden is being placed on another person to work for it then it is a burden on certainly not their human right; it becomes their burden and obligation.
Why does this rudimentary stuff even have to be explained?
oh duh. I missed the facete
because why would we stop at our borders?
Exactly. Healthcare is a human right!
oh ok, then the U S should start immediately to provide healthcare for the entire planet and you should start giving away NOW all of your money and possessions to give to those that do not have your idea of healthcare, otherwise it is not believable that anyone actually believes this
Healthcare, or any other socialist objective; food, housing, or guaranteed income IS NOT A RIGHT. It is not an inalienable human right. An inalienable human right is the right to freedom of speech, the right to pursue happiness, the right to worship, the right of assembly and of a free press. These are human rights that can only be denied or restricted, but no one can eradicate those inalienable human rights. A human right is not something a person can give to another; something like the right to health care, that is a thing, not a human right.
Guaranteeing others a standard of health care is not a human right. It may be a moral standard that people advocate, but it is not an inalienable human right. If that were true, then one would not be required to work in order to receive it (one can assume this would include nutrition and housing). If it’s a human right, then I demand mine right now and I don’t have to do anything to earn it. If one has to work for it, then it’s certainly not a human right. And if the burden is being placed on another person to work for it then it is a burden on certainly not their human right; it becomes their burden and obligation.
Why does this rudimentary stuff even have to be explained?
oh duh. I missed the facete
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 12/8/18 at 1:32 pm to DaBindah
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You need those panels.
Glad you’re not God.
Every person has to pay into the system but the system gets to determine who gets care and when.
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 12/8/18 at 1:34 pm to Nguyener
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Name a successful resolution of a problem by the Feds in all of history. We'll wait.
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War and defense. That's about it.
Only because as a country we are willing to throw almost unlimited money into it.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 1:42 pm to 3nOut
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Every person has to pay into the system
Um, no they don't. And hopefully you're self aware enough to realize that medical intervention including things like dialysis, surgery, etc even on people that are exceptionally poor candidates (eg. many of those bedridden hemiarthoplasties deteriorate very quickly and die due to circumstances surrounding the actual surgery)is actually "playing God" right?
It's almost as if, in extreme circumstances, those decisions should be left to medical professionals and not the general public who think reruns of ER or The Resident are accurate representations of healthcare
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 12/8/18 at 1:46 pm to Dale51
I may be understating them, but only in the sense of how bad and unnecessary they are. I assume you are not a healthcare professional so go look up the stats on these scenarios some time. If you were around it every day, you wouldn't have to. At some point it becomes unethical and immoral to do these things to these people. And again, family or not, some bozo who forms their opinions/gets info about healthcare from a TV show shouldn't be in a position to make those decisions.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 1:48 pm to MuricanRavioli
There will always be haves and have nots and Universal Health Care will create an even bigger divide in society by wiping out the middle class.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 1:50 pm to 3nOut
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Every person has to pay into the system but the system gets to determine who gets care and when.
Yup. If that doesn't scare the living shite out of you, you lack critical thinking skills.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 1:51 pm to Hooligan's Ghost
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Healthcare, or any other socialist objective; food, housing, or guaranteed income IS NOT A RIGHT. It is not an inalienable human right. An inalienable human right is the right to freedom of speech, the right to pursue happiness, the right to worship, the right of assembly and of a free press. These are human rights that can only be denied or restricted, but no one can eradicate those inalienable human rights. A human right is not something a person can give to another; something like the right to health care, that is a thing, not a human right.
ALL. OF. THIS.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 1:52 pm to TbirdSpur2010
You're acting as though it's standard operating procedure. Only in the most extreme cases are these panels even consulted. And *gasp* we already have them in most hospitals. They're called ethics councils and they are convened when the family's decisions are deemed to be reckless and not in the best interest of a patient.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:20 pm to MuricanRavioli
Because is doesn’t work anywhere it’s been tried.
It’s unfeasible financially.
You can’t have all three as a rule
1.quality of care
2. Universal care
3. Affordability
And it goes against every law of economics which are just as stubborn as the laws of physics.
It’s unfeasible financially.
You can’t have all three as a rule
1.quality of care
2. Universal care
3. Affordability
And it goes against every law of economics which are just as stubborn as the laws of physics.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:21 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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don’t want to pay for your grandmas leukemia treatments.
I would probably chip in for his euthanasia treatments tho.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:23 pm to MuricanRavioli
Ones first clue should have been when Congress passed Obamacare yet made themselves exempt from it.
If that doesn't set off your alarm bells I really can't help
If that doesn't set off your alarm bells I really can't help
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:45 pm to DaBindah
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You're acting as though it's standard operating procedure.
No I'm not. I'm disagreeing with the principle.
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Only in the most extreme cases are these panels even consulted.
Yeah, not like that line can't be subjectively moved at all
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:49 pm to LSURep864
quote:This. Anyone get thinks becoming fully and solely dependent on a government with $20T+ in debt liabilities (and its never predicted to drop) for anything is being willfully blind.
We’re broke.
And that doesn’t even address competency. Look at the antics during the Kavanaugh fiasco and ask yourself... do I want these people in charge of my health care?
Posted on 12/8/18 at 2:59 pm to MuricanRavioli
Why not universal food for everyone as well? Why stop at health care?
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