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re: People should wear masks for the economy.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:43 am to RidiculousHype
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:43 am to RidiculousHype
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Are you disputing the bolded parts below?
not at all. masks are very ineffective at protecting the wearer
but the issue is that's not the point. the policy is based on (hopefully) having the wearer reduce loads in the air that affect others
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Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:43 am to therick711
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Then take off the mask.
me wearing a mask has nothing to do with protecting me
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:44 am to Ace Midnight
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This isn't going anywhere until November 4th. Then it will be a minor matter, if mentioned at all.
this is the 2008 crash all over again
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:44 am to NIH
I'm pretty sure all mask talk would end if they weren't arbitrarily shutting down businesses.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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but the issue is that's not the point. the policy is based on (hopefully) having the wearer reduce loads in the air that affect others
Masks are neither effective as PPE or for source control. The mandates as constructed everywhere don't even call for the correct usage of masks with several exceptions allowing people to take them off.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:44 am to TigerDoc
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If you trust public health authorities and the media or politicians advocating their use then you're inclined to believe, and if you don't, you're not.
So now we are to trust the people who lied to us about the efficacy of masks to protect a supply chain?
Maybe they just have another ulterior motive that has nothing to do with the safety of the public.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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me wearing a mask has nothing to do with protecting me
...and nothing to do with protecting anyone else.
This has always, ever and only been about control.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:45 am to Sasquatch Smash
quote:He has none, because their is none.
Based on what empirical evidence that it actually reduces infections?
It's just like the "manmade" effects of climate change. For every scientist that states that we are contributing to climate change by 80%, there's a scientist that says we affect it by 2-3%.
The only difference is in the way the media reports only one half of the equation. However, with CV19, the "pro-mask" scientific crowd has kept flip flopping on their opinion, while the "anti-mask" crowd has been steadfast and unwavering... yet the media only reports the indecisive side.
It's all Propaganda.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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me wearing a mask has nothing to do with protecting me
Then stop going out in public and hurting others you selfish prick.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:45 am to wutangfinancial
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I'm pretty sure all mask talk would end if they weren't arbitrarily shutting down businesses.
yeah other than a select few types of businesses (like bars), it should be a conjunctive policy
mask mandate + open businesses with social distancing
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:46 am to therick711
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Then stop going out in public and hurting others you selfish prick.
i understand probabilities...
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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i understand probabilities...
Clearly you don't. The best protection for the public is for you to quit being so damn selfish and possibly infecting people by venturing out. Your mask does nothing. If you care about your fellow man, stay in your own home alone.
The problem is, you are only willing to engage in your own self interest. You will do something if it comes at a tiny cost to yourself. If the cost is large, frick the public, am I right? You know I'm right.
This post was edited on 7/17/20 at 9:49 am
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:51 am to therick711
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The best protection for the public is for you to quit being so damn selfish and possibly infecting people by venturing out.
ok let me add: in addition to probabilities, i understand cost-benefit
having everyone stay inside is too costly of a policy (it would have major benefits, though)
masks cost almost nothing in terms of personal resources. the benefits don't have to be very much to make it beneficial
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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not at all. masks are very ineffective at protecting the wearer
But Fauci wasn't commenting on just that aspect of it. This statement... "it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face." ... was made to support his assertion that "There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask"
If there were, in his mind, good reasons to wear a mask (reduce loads in the air that affect others), he wouldn't have said "no reason".
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
But what about you just staying inside. It costs society very little. One less person to worry about superspreading their germs to the large and sickly. Like I said above, if the cost is small to you, you'll consider it. If it is large to you but actually effective, you'll pass.
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:56 am to RidiculousHype
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"it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face." ... was made to support his assertion that "There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask"
he said it gave false confidence for wearers, which was my point. the masks wearers need to be effective are a completely different ballgame and have to be worn perfectly, etc. you can't fiddle with them or drop your guard and touch your face b/c you have one
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If there were, in his mind, good reasons to wear a mask (reduce loads in the air that affect others), he wouldn't have said "no reason".
i think you're being far too literal, especially when you consider the priming of his statement (being from the POV of a wearer) along with the public policy issues (that led to them lying about it, which isn't something i am defending)
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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i think you're being far too literal, especially when you consider the priming of his statement (being from the POV of a wearer) along with the public policy issues (that led to them lying about it, which isn't something i am defending)
How did you determine which diametrically opposing piece of advice was the lie?
Posted on 7/17/20 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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just like how this board pushed for governmental fiscal responsibility from 2008-2016 and now it's an afterthought
Posted on 7/17/20 at 10:00 am to therick711
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But what about you just staying inside. It costs society very little.
micro? possibly
macro? the most costly thing we could do, basically
i do limit my trips into public (especially in areas that recycle air and put people close to each other) out of personal responsibility. hence the probability portion of comprehension. engaging in low-cost, potentially high-benefit behaviors with the correct understanding of rates and other secondary effects, is a type of personal responsibility
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Like I said above, if the cost is small to you, you'll consider it. If it is large to you but actually effective, you'll pass.
cost benefit applies to all personal and public policies
i have been making the cost-benefit argument during this entire thread
masks have almost 0 cost
the associated benefit, therefore, doesn't have to be very large to make it a rational decision
Posted on 7/17/20 at 10:01 am to therick711
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How did you determine which diametrically opposing piece of advice was the lie?
he's admitted to it
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He also acknowledged that masks were initially not recommended to the general public so that first responders wouldn’t feel the strain of a shortage of PPE.
He explained that public health experts "were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply.”
By early April, the Strategic National Stockpile had been depleted, and around the same time President Trump invoked the Defense Production Act to have manufacturing chains across the U.S. focus on making vital medical equipment such as ventilators and masks.
Fauci continued to say that they wanted to give as many masks as possible to front line workers and emergency personnel.
we have literal, direct evidence
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