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Pentagon Racks Up $35 Trillion in Accounting Changes in One Year

Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:28 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:28 pm

Here is missing money update

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-22/pentagon-racks-up-35-trillion-in-accounting-changes-in-one-year

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Pentagon Racks Up $35 Trillion in Accounting Changes in One Year
By Anthony Capaccio
January 22, 2020, 3:00 AM CST


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The Pentagon made $35 trillion in accounting adjustments last year alone -- a total that’s larger than the entire U.S. economy and underscores the Defense Department’s continuing difficulty in balancing its books.


No worries, just little accounting issues here and there....
Posted by Ag Zwin
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:29 pm to
Journal entries like a MoFo.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:33 pm to
Posted by g650Tide
Georgia
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:34 pm to
whatever you do don't question them about missing money. something might blow up
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:35 pm to
What? How is this even possible? Doesn't this mean that the Pentagon has its own "economy" that is larger than the US'?

Where else is the Pentagon getting money from?
Posted by UAinSOUTHAL
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:35 pm to
How would it have $35 trillion worth of that way more then the entire US economy?? Seems like $35 billion might be the correct number.
Posted by SCLibertarian
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:36 pm to
Our worship of the military allows for this to happen. In a just world, 2/3 of the people at the Pentagon and our military higher ups would have been executed decades ago.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:39 pm to
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How would it have $35 trillion worth of that way more then the entire US economy?? Seems like $35 billion might be the correct number.

This is probaly the same nonsense as the claims that the govt lost account of trillions right before 9/11
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:42 pm to
I didn't read the article, but it is implausible that the "net" is $35 trillion all in either direction.

I get that the Feds, generally, and DoD specifically, have a reputation for being mushy accountants - I completely get that and I'm not defending it.

If someone says they can't account for $35 Trillion of tax dollars that were collected, allocated and spent - even if one went back 1000 years - NOT credible. Not possible, even in theory. I mean, we haven't had $1T+ budgets for 35 years. The DoD hasn't ever had a trillion dollar budget, so one would need a 100% loss for 50, 60 years.

NOT POSSIBLE. This is couple billion here, and there, one way or another and accounting problems - loss of accountability for money isn't the same thing as loss of the money or corruption (although it certainly is malfeasance and can mask those things.)
This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 3:42 pm
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:46 pm to
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NOT POSSIBLE. T


What if they have another source of revenue?
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:49 pm to
Probably just cleaning up the "Ask My Accountant" account.

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I didn't read the article, but it is implausible that the "net" is $35 trillion all in either direction.

This was my initial thought as well. I've seen books where every entry was recorded at least twice as "accounting changes" because the bookkeeper had no idea how to do her job. Every month she would record the entries off of the bank statements. When she couldn't figure it out, she would just force the reconciliation into "Ask My Accountant", then would make countless journal entries to fix/adjust. On several occasions she would record the entry backwards, and would then have to make 2 adjusting entries, to reverse then record correctly.

Thankfully, she was a paper hoarder; after she was fired my firm came in and fixed the books by starting from scratch and inputting 12 years worth of entries.
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:50 pm to
I'd like to see the GAO's report. The article makes this seem less alarming to me than the headline would indicate.
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:51 pm to
"Time for another 9/11"

Conspiracy Theorists

Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

quote:
How would it have $35 trillion worth of that way more then the entire US economy?? Seems like $35 billion might be the correct number.

This is probaly the same nonsense as the claims that the govt lost account of trillions right before 9/11



It's double, triple, quadruple, etc. accounting for poorly documented or un-documented internal DoD transactions.

The cumulative budget of American defense and national security for the entire history of the country doesn't even approach that number.

It's some AOC-like stupidity to suggest that it's a black hole of spending that's bigger than the entire American economy. And, oh, wouldn't you look at that - Ocasio-Cortez has also previously and stupidly referenced a similar number in trying to explain funding for Medicare for All!
This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 3:55 pm
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:52 pm to
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What if they have another source of revenue?

What do you mean?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
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50410 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

I didn't read the article, but it is implausible that the "net" is $35 trillion all in either direction.

I get that the Feds, generally, and DoD specifically, have a reputation for being mushy accountants - I completely get that and I'm not defending it.

If someone says they can't account for $35 Trillion of tax dollars that were collected, allocated and spent - even if one went back 1000 years - NOT credible. Not possible, even in theory. I mean, we haven't had $1T+ budgets for 35 years. The DoD hasn't ever had a trillion dollar budget, so one would need a 100% loss for 50, 60 years.

NOT POSSIBLE. This is couple billion here, and there, one way or another and accounting problems - loss of accountability for money isn't the same thing as loss of the money or corruption (although it certainly is malfeasance and can mask those things.)


I agree. As a government auditor, I can actually think of a few reasons why this could be legitimate. The most obvious being transfers between funds because government fund accounting is STUPID and doesn't make sense to most accountants, much less most people with no accounting background at all.

Totaling up the dollar value of journal entries is useless information to me.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:53 pm to
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'd like to see the GAO's report. The article makes this seem less alarming to me than the headline would indicate


It wouldn't be the first time they've lost trillions. Donald Rumsfeld announced they had lost 1.5 trillion dollars on Sep 10, 2001. The next day an "airplane" hit the accounting offices in the Pentagon.

He said it all nonchalantly too. As if 1.5 trillion is no biggie.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:54 pm to
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What do you mean?



What if they're mining gold somewhere off planet?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:54 pm to
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It wouldn't be the first time they've lost trillions. Donald Rumsfeld announced they had lost 1.5 trillion dollars on Sep 10, 2001. The next day an "airplane" hit the accounting offices in the Pentagon.


But the article makes no claim that they lost anything. These are simply adjustments.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:55 pm to
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but it is implausible that the "net" is $35 trillion all in either direction.
Correct. Not just implausible. Impossible.
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