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re: Pelosi claims Congress is a “Superior Branch of Government”
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:20 am to Tony Tiger89
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:20 am to Tony Tiger89
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So you think they will remove the President, without him doing anything illegal ??
I don't think they are going to remove anyone. I'm just saying he doesn't have to have been found of doing anything specifically illegal to be removed. Same goes for the Supreme Court.
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 10:21 am
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Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:29 am to Mickey Goldmill
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I'm just saying he doesn't have to have been found of doing anything specifically illegal to be removed.
Ya, he does.
Article II, Section 4:
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The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:29 am to RJYH
Check and balance ?
Congress can make laws , president can veto
President can EO , Congress can pound sand
USSC laughs at both
Congress can make laws , president can veto
President can EO , Congress can pound sand
USSC laughs at both
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:32 am to Nosevens
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USSC laughs at both
Exactly. Now if someone wanted to argue the SCOTUS was most powerful, I could see that.
Jefferson really screwed the pooch on that one.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:35 am to Centinel
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Ya, he does.
Article II, Section 4:
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The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
I know the language. People on here have argued it into the ground. We are discussing semantics here. The "high crimes and misdemeanors" is not a specific list. That's all I was getting act.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:37 am to Centinel
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USSC laughs at both
Exactly. Now if someone wanted to argue the SCOTUS was most powerful, I could see that.
Jefferson really screwed the pooch on that one.
Congress can remove a Justice as well so they aren't totally exempt lol
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:38 am to Mickey Goldmill
There are other mentions of impeachment throughout the Constitution (III-2, II-2, etc.) that make it rather clear impeachment is specifically for indictable crimes.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:38 am to RJYH
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Congress can pass laws but has zero power to enforce them. That is all in the Exec branch. Judicial interprets these laws and can nullify what the other two do. US Govt is set up kinda like Scissors, Paper, & Stone game... Maybe you should google checks and balances...
Yes, their are checks and balances, but Congress always holds the ultimate trump cards.
They can over-ride presidential vetoes, and if the Executive branch won't enforce the laws, or if the Judiciary won't uphold the laws, then they can impeach government officials until they get their way.
Ultimately, Congress has the power to amend the Consitution if it needs to (They need approval from the States, of course, but the point is that Congress is the voice of the People and the States, so they should be able to work together).
Now, our current Congress is incapable of wielding its Power to get its way, and Congress in general has been granting way too much power to the Exectuive branch over the years. But the way the Constitution is set up, Congress is the most powerful of the three branches.
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 10:47 am
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:39 am to Nosevens
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USSC laughs at both
And that is why re electing Trump is so important.
While the court is supposed to be non partisan that went by the wayside a long time ago.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:39 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Congress can remove a Justice as well so they aren't totally exempt lol
Again, you bring up a hypothetical that will never happen. And that's assuming you are correct in your interpretation of impeachment. Most in the legal world would disagree with you.
Which is why impeachment has not, and will not, be used in the manner you think it could be.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:40 am to Darth_Vader
Closely held documents.... Closely?!?
Gtfo, I guess providing two copies to congress is being closely held now. I guess following the law to redact Grand Jury information is closely held now.
You’ve cried wolf for two+ years. No one cares about your tantrums anymore. Pain is coming.
Gtfo, I guess providing two copies to congress is being closely held now. I guess following the law to redact Grand Jury information is closely held now.
You’ve cried wolf for two+ years. No one cares about your tantrums anymore. Pain is coming.
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 10:42 am
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:41 am to Centinel
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There are other mentions of impeachment throughout the Constitution (III-2, II-2, etc.) that make it rather clear impeachment is specifically for indictable crimes.
It also includes "unbecoming conduct, abuse of authority, chronic intoxication". Not exactly your typical list of indictable crimes.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:42 am to Centinel
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Again, you bring up a hypothetical that will never happen. And that's assuming you are correct in your interpretation of impeachment. Most in the legal world would disagree with you.
Which is why impeachment has not, and will not, be used in the manner you think it could be.
I never said it's going to be used in any manner....
I just said Congress has the authority to impeach and remove Justices and the President.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:43 am to Nguyener
Expect when Trump tries to force through a national emergency right. Then its executive > all others
This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 10:43 am
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:43 am to Mickey Goldmill
Those are all still indictable crimes.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:44 am to Mickey Goldmill
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I just said Congress has the authority to impeach and remove Justices and the President.
For indictable crimes.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:44 am to dawgfan24348
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Expect when Trump tries to force through a national emergency right. Then its executive > all others
The Supreme Court can overturn executive orders.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:45 am to Darth_Vader
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Pelosi claims Congress is a “Superior Branch of Government”
Is was when Republicans were in charge of Congress and Obama was in the Whitehouse.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:45 am to Mickey Goldmill
Again, check and balance
Name a situation and arguably branches can agree and third branch can nullify. Someone mentioned rocks paper scissors, perfect analogy
Name a situation and arguably branches can agree and third branch can nullify. Someone mentioned rocks paper scissors, perfect analogy
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:47 am to Nosevens
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Name a situation and arguably branches can agree and third branch can nullify. Someone mentioned rocks paper scissors, perfect analogy
Exactly.
It's silly to call any branch "superior".
Each has an AREA where they are superior.
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