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re: Peace in Ukraine ... an exercise in how it might look
Posted on 3/3/25 at 2:53 pm to LSUFreek
Posted on 3/3/25 at 2:53 pm to LSUFreek
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Then you (if you are speaking as Ukrianian) would have no self-preservation instinct.
You're just making sweeping statements with no basis.
I would appeal to other civilized nations who also do not want to have their shite stolen by their neighbors.
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you'll at least have your principles.
It does sort of come down to that, doesn't it?
Because I don't think you're being sincere. I think you don't believe might is right, and that you do believe in the rule of law. But you're taking this position in order to maintain some sort of political identity that is important to you.
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 2:54 pm to AggieHank86
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Precisely. The current "offer" is (a) keep the stolen goods and (b) no guarantees of future safety. Basically, it gives Ukraine the choice of being gobbled up now, or being gobbled up at some future date of Russia's choosing. Neither is a very palatable option.
Stopping the war now is by far the best option.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 2:58 pm to Harry Boutte
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Of course Trump has cards. The US military could give Ukraine the ability to devastate Putin's front lines in Ukraine. But Trump won't dare threaten Putin, he only kicks runts around.
Starting Ww3 with our troops is the dumbest of all options
Posted on 3/3/25 at 2:58 pm to Pettifogger
quote:Pretty much the same thing as the last 20 NATO expansions since 1991. Expanded sphere of influence and additional opportunities for trade.quote:What on earth is in it for us?
Without NATO membership (or something very much like it), what is the guarantee against future Russian aggression?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 3:00 pm to AggieHank86
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How would North America look today, if France had not allied itself with the newly-declared nation in 1778. Yorktown would have gone VERY differently, I suspect. If we had lasted THAT long.
The thread of nuclear WW3 likely changes how France acted
Posted on 3/3/25 at 3:01 pm to djsdawg
quote:The pro-Russia crowd always goes straight to "US combat troops will be killed in Ukraine."
Starting Ww3 with our troops is the dumbest of all options
What US policymaker has seriously suggested sending US combat troops into Ukraine?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 3:03 pm to AggieHank86
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What US policymaker has seriously suggested sending US combat troops into Ukraine?
The person I responded to implied as much. That option leads to ww3, yet you want to risk it.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 3:05 pm to djsdawg
quote:OK, I read that post as suggesting that the US could give the Ukrainians better weapons, which would do more harm to Russian front lines. I didn't see anything which referenced US combat troops.quote:The person I responded to implied as much. That option leads to ww3, yet you want to risk it.
What US policymaker has seriously suggested sending US combat troops into Ukraine?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 3:06 pm to AggieHank86
No.
Trump’s rough plan is better
Trump’s rough plan is better
Posted on 3/3/25 at 3:06 pm to AggieHank86
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Expanded sphere of influence and additional opportunities for trade.
Except that this has been intentionally avoided with Ukraine, and now we're offering it with far more known risk on the table to us and with absolutely nothing newly advantageous to us that we haven't spurned as not worth the cost in the past.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 3:11 pm to AggieHank86
NATO membership is not happening mainly because Russia would never agree to that. People still make Russia out to be this boogeyman man that is trying to take Europe and that just isn't reality anymore. I've heard tons of people say security guarantees for Ukraine cause if Ukraine falls Europe is next which is just not the case.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 3:18 pm to AggieHank86
Hanks gonna give Russia something they already have, and in exchange Russia has to agree to the one thing that they will never agree to.
World class negotiator, CommieHank.
World class negotiator, CommieHank.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 3:23 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:Is the war in Ukraine still ongoing, or is there peace? I am pretty sure that they are still at war and losing hundreds of lives per month.
Hanks gonna give Russia something they already have,
How many countries currently recognize Russia's acquisition of Crimea, much less Donbas(plus)? Two? Three?
quote:Yep, they said that they would not accept NATO on their border. Then Finland joined NATO, and Russia did nothing. Maybe Russia is not as firm on that position as you think. Maybe Putin read "Art of the Deal."
in exchange Russia has to agree to the one thing that they will never agree to.
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 3/3/25 at 3:35 pm to AggieHank86
"Putin is a madman, a brutal dictator, throws people off buildings, poisons enemies."
Proceeds to goad Putin into a nuke war.
Proceeds to goad Putin into a nuke war.
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 3/3/25 at 3:39 pm to BeepBopBoop
quote:I am still waiting for one of you to explain how (a) making a proposal to Putin of peace terms (b) somehow causes WW3.
"Putin is a madman, a brutal dictator, throws people off buildings, poisons enemies."
Proceeds to goad Putin into a nuke war.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 3:47 pm to AggieHank86
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What if all parties agree that Russia keeps what it has stolen, but Ukraine gets to join NATO as an Article V guarantee that Russia will not attempt to take another bite at the Ukrainian apple in the future?
I think Ukraine would take that offer as that would be an actual security guarantee, which is what they’ve been lobbying for to stop the fighting.
Won’t happen though.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 3:54 pm to AggieHank86
Because it would be pointless to propose Ukraine joining NATO as part of a peace plan when Russia has already stated multiple times that they will under no circumstances accept any deal that includes the possibility of Ukraine joining NATO.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 4:05 pm to AggieHank86
Let's form a new NATO with Russia and China and tell Europe to get fricked. They'll be begging for forgiveness for getting all uppity.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 4:08 pm to Proximo
Russia will just try to install a new puppet.
The entire reason we had this war was because Russia got mad that the puppet they installed got deposed by a puppet the west installed.
At the end of the day, this is a European problem and none of us should waste any time worrying about. Let the Euros figure this one out.
The entire reason we had this war was because Russia got mad that the puppet they installed got deposed by a puppet the west installed.
At the end of the day, this is a European problem and none of us should waste any time worrying about. Let the Euros figure this one out.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 4:11 pm to LARancher1991
Russia’s stated position is that a ceasefire is off the table, and Ukraine should have no NATO security guarantees as part of a peace deal.
Why would Russia change their position if they already have the knowledge of the US blaming Zelensky for starting the war and threatening to withhold aid?
They’ll be satisfied with continuing to turn Ukranian towns into rubble for now.
Why would Russia change their position if they already have the knowledge of the US blaming Zelensky for starting the war and threatening to withhold aid?
They’ll be satisfied with continuing to turn Ukranian towns into rubble for now.
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