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re: Paul Manafort asks judge to dismiss criminal charges against him
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:16 am to JuiceTerry
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:16 am to JuiceTerry
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Such a whale that he was working for Manafort, not vice versa
They worked together not for each other
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:18 am to CFBFAN1121
Fbi and doj wouldn't even really investigate the emails. They justgave some of her aides and tech support immunity, and allowed them to destroy evidence.. then started trying to close the case before hillbitch was even interviewed.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:20 am to SDVTiger
quote:This is where the charges against Manafort come from
Over the course of several years, the ECMU paid the Podesta Group $1.13 million to lobby Congress, according to the AP.
Derp
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:28 am to Wtodd
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arguing that special counsel Robert Mueller had no right to indict him for work done before he joined the Trump campaign as chairman in 2016.
This Mueller investigation smacks of tyranny, when it can persecute one side of a political spectrum to the point of bankruptcy excluding those on the opposite of the spectrum. Something is rotten here.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:28 am to Plx1776
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Fbi and doj wouldn't even really investigate the emails. They justgave some of her aides and tech support immunity, and allowed them to destroy evidence.. then started trying to close the case before hillbitch was even interviewed
Regardless, if they found evidence she killed somebody you idiots wouldn't be saying it should be ignored like you all are saying with Manafort
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:34 am to Wtodd
I saw this headline on the news this morning and my first thought was "well, no shite. What's he supposed to be doing? Thanking Mueller for charging him?"
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:45 am to CFBFAN1121
Manafort isn't the target of the investigation though, Trump is. Also, Mueller knew about this with Manafort when he was FBI Director and didn't do anything about it then, he only brought it up now. Thus he is showing his bias, if it was a crime he should have pursued it back then.
What Mueller is doing though is trying to force Manafort to turn on Trump with real or fake charges. He has no evidence and so he is going to Manafort and charging him with something he knew about that had nothing to do with Trump. He is thus pressuring Manfort to go against Trump or else be prosecuted for an irrelevant crime and in the meantime have his reputation destroyed and be saddled with huge legal bills. It's pure intimidation and flat out wrong. This is essentially Mueller playing Hoover and looking in his vault for secrets he can use against people to get them to do his bidding, Manafort to his credit has the balls to stand up to him and risk prison.
It's incredibly naive to say "if he committed a crime he should pay!" How would you like for the FBI to look into every aspect of your life over the last several years and look for any infraction they can charge you with and if you don't roll over and do what they want they will destroy you? They don't even need to prove the crime, they just need enough to charge you, publicize it, and bankrupt you defending yourself while you lose your job and your life is in tatters.
What Mueller is doing though is trying to force Manafort to turn on Trump with real or fake charges. He has no evidence and so he is going to Manafort and charging him with something he knew about that had nothing to do with Trump. He is thus pressuring Manfort to go against Trump or else be prosecuted for an irrelevant crime and in the meantime have his reputation destroyed and be saddled with huge legal bills. It's pure intimidation and flat out wrong. This is essentially Mueller playing Hoover and looking in his vault for secrets he can use against people to get them to do his bidding, Manafort to his credit has the balls to stand up to him and risk prison.
It's incredibly naive to say "if he committed a crime he should pay!" How would you like for the FBI to look into every aspect of your life over the last several years and look for any infraction they can charge you with and if you don't roll over and do what they want they will destroy you? They don't even need to prove the crime, they just need enough to charge you, publicize it, and bankrupt you defending yourself while you lose your job and your life is in tatters.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:56 am to CoachChappy
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If Manafort broke the law, he should be brought to justice; however, Meuller and his goons doing the indicting is incorrect. He should have referred the information to the proper department at the FBI.
All so true - let the normal DOJ concentrate on non-'collusion' aspects of whatever he discovered.
BTW - this is what Ken Starr did in the Clinton Investigation - and AG Reno just kept expanding Starr's mandate to include it. It was not Starr 'going off the rails' so much as it was Reno's desire to only have ONE Special Prosecutor involved.
That way the DEMs could concentrate all their fire and brimstone on ONE 'antagonist' rather than 3 or 4.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:17 am to aggressor
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Manafort isn't the target of the investigation though, Trump is.
Trump's entire campaign is under investigation which Manafort was clearly a part of.
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He has no evidence
How can you possibly know what evidence Mueller has?
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How would you like for the FBI to look into every aspect of your life over the last several years and look for any infraction they can charge you with and if you don't roll over and do what they want they will destroy you
Are you naive as to how federal investigations work? This is exactly what they do. If you don't commit any crimes you won't have to worry bout being pressured to flip on others.
I have this weird feeling if Obama was the subject of this investigation, you'd be demanding the FBI go through every aspect of his life to try and find a crime.
Again, somedays you all are all about "law and order" now you guys are literally arguing crimes committed by people in Trump's campaign should be ignored bc trump himself didn't commit the crime.
You're the reason Trump says he loves his poorly educated supporters
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:21 am to SirWinston
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Mueller is an a-hole - literally ruining lives by going above and beyond his scope
Everything Mueller has done has been approved by Rosenstein.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:36 am to Wtodd
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arguing that special counsel Robert Mueller had no right to indict him for work done before he joined the Trump campaign as chairman in 2016.
:Bold strategy cotton gif:
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:50 am to thetigerman
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Everything Mueller has done has been approved by Rosenstein.
Aka DJT’s DAG
Can’t be repeated enough.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:55 am to Wtodd
"And I would have gotten away with it too, if not for that meddling Meuller"
Idgaf honestly how he got caught. If I'm at a friend's house smoking weed and the cops come in with a warrant for him, I don't get to ask the judge to drop the charges because the warrant wasn't for me.
Now, if they got him to confess to something he didn't actually do by lying and saying they had him for other things, threatening to fry him unless he confessed, THAT would be abuse of power.
Idgaf honestly how he got caught. If I'm at a friend's house smoking weed and the cops come in with a warrant for him, I don't get to ask the judge to drop the charges because the warrant wasn't for me.
Now, if they got him to confess to something he didn't actually do by lying and saying they had him for other things, threatening to fry him unless he confessed, THAT would be abuse of power.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:59 am to Wtodd
Can't blame a guy for trying. If this somehow flew legally, he'd get a lot of counts knocked off. Now, how he'll convince a judge that laundering $30+ million from a Russian puppet regime is off limits in a CI investigation of Trump campaign coordination in the Russian election interference (especially as Mueller's mandate from Rosenstein reads "all matters that arise and arose directly...), I'm not sure. Paul needs some good representation.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:01 pm to Wtodd
Muh Facebook ads!!!!
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:03 pm to bamarep
Was Paul in on those? You should tell Mueller.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:05 pm to Wtodd
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:12 pm to The_Duke
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Law and order has no boundaries. At least that what I learned on this board during that whole Sheriff Joe ordeal.
As an average American, you would fear an IRS audit. Now imagine Mueller going through your underwear drawer! If it ain’t collusion it shouldn’t be Mueller. He should turn over evidence to DOJ of any other crimes. I think Manafort should be prosecuted. I think Flynn is getting screwed. And I amazed how Mueller’s free flowing investigation hasn’t touched the Dirty Dossier and the FISA Collusion Crap!
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:38 pm to Wtodd
crime is crime
too bad Monafort tried to protect Putin and Trump.
He could have come clean months ago and been Monaforts pet.
too bad Monafort tried to protect Putin and Trump.
He could have come clean months ago and been Monaforts pet.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:43 pm to Wtodd
I take exception to the fishing expedition. Also take exception to the Podesta's getting notice so they could go back and cover the exact same crimes by retroactively filing the appropriate paper work.
Since Manafort committed the crimes, I have no problem with him being charged.
At some point Mueller needs to be told, finish or you are fired. He has had a year, we all know Trump and his campaign aren't experienced enough to hide anything. If you haven't found any collusion. It is over. Simple as that.
Since Manafort committed the crimes, I have no problem with him being charged.
At some point Mueller needs to be told, finish or you are fired. He has had a year, we all know Trump and his campaign aren't experienced enough to hide anything. If you haven't found any collusion. It is over. Simple as that.
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