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re: Paper: Did the Universe simulate itself into existence?
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:02 am to Flats
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:02 am to Flats
quote:Yep.
You think that’s analogous to a multiverse and I’m the one who sounds silly? Sure.
Clearly, you don't understand WHY the multi-verse has been hypothesized. On that, I can merely suggest you attempt to learn before you opine. But, you probably won't, so, oh well.
The multi-verse is pretty much a hypothetical answer to the question, "where the frick did all the other probabilistic answers go in the wave function after we observed the quantum object?"
As I've said, I'm not really a fan of multi-verse hypothesis. But, I do know WHY they've been formulated. They've been formulated because they are one OF MANY possible explanations for quantum weirdness.
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:05 am to TrueTiger
I first watched that in a planetarium show in the 70s.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:15 am to ThinePreparedAni
Thoughts on the Church of Kopimism
It is interesting what some science says, like the pixelation of life. Then there is stuff on if this is a simulation and how it would be impossible to prove. What if we are just NPCs and that's why nothing can be done about the dickheads in life
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Did the Universe simulate itself into existence?
It is interesting what some science says, like the pixelation of life. Then there is stuff on if this is a simulation and how it would be impossible to prove. What if we are just NPCs and that's why nothing can be done about the dickheads in life
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:48 am to SuperDad
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On that, I can merely suggest you attempt to learn before you opine. But, you probably won't, so, oh well.
As if this board didn't already have enough douchebags who attempt to be condescending to pretty much anybody who dares question their opinion. You have fun with that.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:59 am to Flats
quote:Perhaps you missed the part where I said I'm not even a fan of multi-verse hypothesis.
As if this board didn't already have enough douchebags who attempt to be condescending to pretty much anybody who dares question their opinion.
But, to discuss the subject, you actually have to know the basics of it and the basics are NOT "opinion". You falling on the ground and kicking your feet about it when someone points that out is your own problem.
To discuss ANY of the various hypothesis' surrounding explaining why the quantum wave function behaves the way it behaves, you simply must know where those hypothesis' come from and how they relate to the wave function.
Something you clearly don't know. That's not condescension. That's just fact. I mean, you can have an opinion on it I suppose. It just carries about the same weight as my opinion on how to play the violin.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 1:18 pm to Padme
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to be able to give this credit to the physical world rather than a creator seems to be stubborn defiance
These are not mutually exclusive. He is we and we are he. All one breath. One word.
Tool - Pneuma
Posted on 9/23/21 at 1:27 pm to SuperDad
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What it really means is that the quantum world's attachment to time is beyond human understanding at the moment.
What it means is that measuring particles is useless when one should consider everything in terms of wavelength and frequency, a la Tesla.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 1:36 pm to SuperDad
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The multi-verse is pretty much a hypothetical answer to the question, "where the frick did all the other probabilistic answers go in the wave function after we observed the quantum object?"
Also, it attempts to explain where the matter came from and where it goes when it pops in and out of a vacuum (not the appliance but like "empty space" which is an observed phenomenon).
Posted on 9/23/21 at 1:39 pm to blackinthesaddle
quote:Well yes
Also, it attempts to explain where the matter came from and where it goes when it pops in and out of a vacuum (not the appliance but like "empty space" which is an observed phenomenon).
But when someone shows they can't read, you don't hand them Shakespeare
Posted on 9/23/21 at 1:44 pm to SuperDad
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But when someone shows they can't read, you don't hand them Shakespeare
One is introduced to concepts before an intimate understanding is later established through ones own natural curiosity.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 2:24 pm to SuperDad
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I have 2 issues with the multiverse. 1, it just kicks the can down the road. 2 is when they pretend that it's science, as opposed to religious beliefs that are all superstitious nonsense.
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While the concept of the multi-verse may well be a completely incorrect interpretation of the behavior of the quantum wave function, it isn't pulled out of thin air. Quantum particles really do operate according to the wave function. That much is certain. What happens to all of the other possible measurements when a quantum object is observed is the only question. I personally don't like the multi-verse idea much, but, as I said, it isn't pulled out of their arse either.
I think you are wrong. There is no evidence to support their hypothesis. They just dreamed it up. Nothing supports their belief or hypothesis.
I am not trying to be critical of scientist coming up with crazy crap just dreamed up. That is a good thing. Almost every discovery needs to be revisited and changed/corrected to be MORE accurate. Always getting us closer to the truth.
But a lot of these scientist are atheist and embrace the multiverse because they basically hate the concept of God and the ironic part is the multiverse has less evidence to support it than there being a God. One of those assholes can't hardly talk about the multiverse without backhanding Christians. Yet that dumbass is doing the exact same thing I am. Believing in something that can not be proven.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 4:51 pm to omegaman66
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I am not trying to be critical of scientist coming up with crazy crap just dreamed up. That is a good thing.
I’m not either, just don’t try to tell me it’s science. It can’t be observed, it can’t be tested, it can’t be falsified. I’ve listened to Brian Green (who some people like to regurgitate in an attempt to impress) and I think it’s an interesting theory, but it’s 100% faith based.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:24 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:40 pm to zatetic
Translation?
Posted on 9/24/21 at 12:42 pm to ThinePreparedAni
I can just see the scientist who wrote this paper talking to his roommate: "Hey, man....I smoked some weed. Look what I typed up in the mean time!"
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