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Paper: Did the Universe simulate itself into existence?
Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:57 pm
https://mindmatters.ai/2021/09/researchers-the-universe-simulated-itself-into-existence/
non-materialistic
God
In his image
Sounds like we have heard this story before…
Looks like we will have to take “the science” on faith…
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RESEARCHERS: THE UNIVERSE SIMULATED ITSELF INTO EXISTENCE
A recent physics journal paper proposes self-simulation as the origin of the universe, using a quantum gravity model
NEWS SEPTEMBER 19, 2021 Share
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One important aspect that differentiates this view relates to the fact that Bostrom’s original hypothesis is materialistic, seeing the universe as inherently physical … Their hypothesis takes a non-materialistic approach, saying that everything is information expressed as thought. As such, the universe “self-actualizes” itself into existence, relying on underlying algorithms and a rule they call “the principle of efficient language.”
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Under this proposal, the entire simulation of everything in existence is just one “grand thought.” How would the simulation itself be originated? It was always there, say the researchers, explaining the concept of “timeless emergentism.” According to this idea, time isn’t there at all. Instead, the all-encompassing thought that is our reality offers a nested semblance of a hierarchical order, full of “sub-thoughts” that reach all the way down the rabbit hole towards the base mathematics and fundamental particles. This is also where the rule of efficient language comes in, suggesting that humans themselves are such “emergent sub-thoughts” and they experience and find meaning in the world through other sub-thoughts (called “code-steps or actions”) in the most economical fashion.
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This sounds like traditional theism, with the universe as a self-existent God, right down to the creation of humans (as emergent sub-thoughts).
non-materialistic
God
In his image
Sounds like we have heard this story before…
Looks like we will have to take “the science” on faith…
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:08 pm to ThinePreparedAni
The Last Question- Asimov (YouTube)
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:14 pm to ThinePreparedAni
I’ve basically decided to stop trying to interest myself in the universe
Its enormity, its mystery, and the inability of my mind to comprehend how “something came from nothing” makes it too frustrating to try to grasp
Its enormity, its mystery, and the inability of my mind to comprehend how “something came from nothing” makes it too frustrating to try to grasp
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:15 pm to ThinePreparedAni
One of the struggles finite reasoning creatures have is with a being that had no beginnings and therefore can’t be explained by said finite creatures. But to be able to give this credit to the physical world rather than a creator seems to be stubborn defiance, and dumbed down reasoning.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:16 pm to ThinePreparedAni
I’m a big fan of simulation theory.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Its enormity, its mystery, and the inability of my mind to comprehend how “something came from nothing” makes it too frustrating to try to grasp
That’s because your elementary logic and reasoning capabilities will not allow you to accept that everything you are experiencing in this undefinable reality came from nothing.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:23 pm to ThinePreparedAni
I see we've come a long way since Newton and certainly basic Platonic and Aristotelian logic.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:24 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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I’m a big fan of simulation theory.
It explains precisely nothing about the origins of the cosmos.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:31 pm to ThinePreparedAni
I guess it sounds better than nothingness farted and created everything .
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:31 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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I’m a big fan of simulation theory.
The mathematical odds for simulation are more favorable than the odds for evolution.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:41 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Deep thoughts by college losers who couldn't survive outside of academia.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:42 pm to McLemore
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I see we've come a long way since Newton and certainly basic Platonic and Aristotelian logic.
I like the way this sounds
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:52 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Something from nothing is just the tip of the iceberg.
Its enormity, its mystery, and the inability of my mind to comprehend how “something came from nothing” makes it too frustrating to try to grasp
You also are stuck with competing possibilities of the universe as it is that melt the brain
Is it infinite? We can't even really comprehend infinity
Is it finite? If so, what lies outside of its borders? Does this question even make sense or, is it a human contrivance? Maybe nothing is required outside it's border. Maybe the universe is all there is? But then, if I could stand right at it's border looking outward, what would I see?
Or, is it continuous but finite? As in, is the geometry of the universe such that anyone traveling within it would perceive it as infinite yet, in fact, if they traveled long enough, they'd just end up where they started?
ALL of those possibilities are beyond our ability to comprehend even if we sort of can describe them.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:54 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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I’m a big fan of simulation theory.
I find it interesting.
It has occurred to me though that if we live in a simulation created by some super advanced beings who have control over that simulation, from our perspective, how would those beings differ from "God or Gods"?
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:55 pm to McLemore
quote:Well, not speaking to the theory in the OP, but if we live in a simulation created by an advanced being, the cosmos is just part of the "game" created for us.
It explains precisely nothing about the origins of the cosmos.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:58 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Another brain melter.
Space isn't continuous. There is no such thing as a measurement length of zero. In fact, the universe CAN'T be continuous because if it were, then, nothing could exist at all.
In other words, if our eyes were strong enough and we could look at space, we would still see...........for lack of a better term..........a grid(human words really aren't applicable, but that's close enough)
Space isn't continuous. There is no such thing as a measurement length of zero. In fact, the universe CAN'T be continuous because if it were, then, nothing could exist at all.
In other words, if our eyes were strong enough and we could look at space, we would still see...........for lack of a better term..........a grid(human words really aren't applicable, but that's close enough)
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:59 pm to SuperDad
I’m warming towards the idea that the universe is a doughnut.
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