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re: Paper: Did the Universe simulate itself into existence?
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:08 am to ThinePreparedAni
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:08 am to ThinePreparedAni
The one "Grand Thought" is interesting.
On a smaller level, it sounds a bit like what we do when we pray. And if a prayer is "answered" then perhaps all that happened was that the prayer "thought" was powerful enough to manifest itself.
Perhaps "Heaven" itself was created by millions of people continuously praying and believing in it. Our belief that heaven exists is the reason why it might exist...
On a smaller level, it sounds a bit like what we do when we pray. And if a prayer is "answered" then perhaps all that happened was that the prayer "thought" was powerful enough to manifest itself.
Perhaps "Heaven" itself was created by millions of people continuously praying and believing in it. Our belief that heaven exists is the reason why it might exist...
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:24 am to SuperDad
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What it really means is that the quantum world's attachment to time is beyond human understanding at the moment.
I would suggest the opposite is what it suggests... In other words Time is attached and somehow sub-servant to (not the best characterization but I think you get what I am suggesting..) the Quantum World...
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:29 am to SuperDad
Is there a God?
Science can never prove there is a God and never prove there is not a God.
Technically nothing can be proven.
Color doesn't even exist at least not as a color. Color is something that your mind makes. Outside of your head (or someone elses) there is no such thing as Blue!
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But back to the topic at hand. Science will NEVER be able to explain everything. It is fundamentally impossible. There are things that we say are emergent. There are things we say are fundamental. The emergent properties are caused by the few fundamental properties, but we give strength to measure all of these properties (fundamental and emergent). Science will never be able to explain why fundamental property has the strength that it has. There is no "reason" for it to have the value/strength it just does.
Where do they get their particular strength when nothing causes them to have that strength?
Some will argue God.
Some that do not believe in God will argue stuff like multiverse.
The most ironic part is no matter what an atheist can dream up there will ALWAYS be questions about existence that do not rule out God as they are trying to do.
Not really trying to argue for or against God here. Just pointing out when you are IN the universe and have learned everything that is possible to be learned about the universe you live in there will always be unanswered question of how that universe exist how it exist that can only be answered from outside of that universe.
Science can never prove there is a God and never prove there is not a God.
Technically nothing can be proven.
Color doesn't even exist at least not as a color. Color is something that your mind makes. Outside of your head (or someone elses) there is no such thing as Blue!
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But back to the topic at hand. Science will NEVER be able to explain everything. It is fundamentally impossible. There are things that we say are emergent. There are things we say are fundamental. The emergent properties are caused by the few fundamental properties, but we give strength to measure all of these properties (fundamental and emergent). Science will never be able to explain why fundamental property has the strength that it has. There is no "reason" for it to have the value/strength it just does.
Where do they get their particular strength when nothing causes them to have that strength?
Some will argue God.
Some that do not believe in God will argue stuff like multiverse.
The most ironic part is no matter what an atheist can dream up there will ALWAYS be questions about existence that do not rule out God as they are trying to do.
Not really trying to argue for or against God here. Just pointing out when you are IN the universe and have learned everything that is possible to be learned about the universe you live in there will always be unanswered question of how that universe exist how it exist that can only be answered from outside of that universe.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:43 am to klrstix
quote:It appears to suggest that while we perceive time in a particular direction, the quantum world does not.
I would suggest the opposite is what it suggests... In other words Time is attached and somehow sub-servant to (not the best characterization but I think you get what I am suggesting..) the Quantum World...
Which, frankly, makes a weird kind of sense. If spacetime is curved, and it IS curved, then, clearly, what we think of as "time" in our daily living isn't really what time is.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:46 am to omegaman66
quote:As an atheist, let me just point out something.
The most ironic part is no matter what an atheist can dream up there will ALWAYS be questions about existence that do not rule out God as they are trying to do.
Most sharp atheists know that a "creator" cannot be ruled out.
Alas, a creator, does NOT necessarily mean "God" as you are using the word.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:48 am to ThinePreparedAni
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RESEARCHERS: THE UNIVERSE SIMULATED ITSELF INTO EXISTENCE
I find it telling that those who are the most educated among us will propose the most outlandish and absurd hypotheses on the origins of the universe and life itself while rejecting the one that makes the most sense. Reminds me of this verse…
quote:
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:51 am to Darth_Vader
quote:I tend to agree that the hypothesis in the OP is kinda goofy and frankly, I doubt it takes much hold in the scientific world BUT
I find it telling that those who are the most educated among us will propose the most outlandish and absurd hypotheses on the origins of the universe and life itself
quote:the "one" you speak of doesn't make any more sense than the one in the OP. Just sayin....
while rejecting the one that makes the most sense.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:51 am to omegaman66
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Some that do not believe in God will argue stuff like multiverse.
I have 2 issues with the multiverse. 1, it just kicks the can down the road. 2 is when they pretend that it's science, as opposed to religious beliefs that are all superstitious nonsense.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:51 am to Darth_Vader
It’s an abstract theory. Relax
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:56 am to ThinePreparedAni
By the way.
Now's a pretty good time to point out that the publisher of this paper is an organization run by a guy generally considered to be a kook named Klee Irwin.
Not exactly a mover and shaker in the world of physics.
Now's a pretty good time to point out that the publisher of this paper is an organization run by a guy generally considered to be a kook named Klee Irwin.
Not exactly a mover and shaker in the world of physics.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:00 am to Flats
quote:While the concept of the multi-verse may well be a completely incorrect interpretation of the behavior of the quantum wave function, it isn't pulled out of thin air. Quantum particles really do operate according to the wave function. That much is certain. What happens to all of the other possible measurements when a quantum object is observed is the only question. I personally don't like the multi-verse idea much, but, as I said, it isn't pulled out of their arse either.
I have 2 issues with the multiverse. 1, it just kicks the can down the road. 2 is when they pretend that it's science, as opposed to religious beliefs that are all superstitious nonsense.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:13 am to SuperDad
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it isn't pulled out of thin air
I didn't say it was, I said it wasn't science. We can't observe it, we can't test it, we can't falsify it. How is that any different from a religious belief?
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:15 am to Flats
quote:It's probably more fair to say "we haven't observed it, may not be able to test it and therefore, may not able to falsify it".
I didn't say it was, I said it wasn't science. We can't observe it, we can't test it, we can't falsify it. How is that any different from a religious belief?
And, if we're never able to do those things, it always remain just one of a competing set of hypothesis' to explain the quantum wave function.
No one who asserts the multi-verse as their preferred hypothesis claims to have proven it yet.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:18 am to TurkeyBaconLeg
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Perhaps "Heaven" itself was created by millions of people continuously praying and believing in it. Our belief that heaven exists is the reason why it might exist...
kind of a Schrodinger's cat thing where there are multiple states of existence until one get 'fixed' in place by human observation
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:24 am to FooManChoo
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Nothing comes from nothing. The straws that must be grasped when you reject God
God is a ridiculous concept for idiots. Now watch as I try to explain the fact that a universe of infinite nothingness exploded randomly one day, or that it comes from little green men in an alternate reality who fired up their PlayStation 17 and we’re all a bunch of sims characters
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:38 am to SuperDad
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It's probably more fair to say "we haven't observed it, may not be able to test it and therefore, may not able to falsify it".
I could say the same thing about the FSM.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:38 am to SuperDad
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Which, frankly, makes a weird kind of sense. If spacetime is curved, and it IS curved, then, clearly, what we think of as "time" in our daily living isn't really what time is.
To your observation.. I have considered the possibility that our experience and perception of time is somewhat similar to viewing an object under water. The water distorts and "bends" the light waves so we never really get an "accurate" perception of the object while under water...
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:45 am to Flats
quote:Is there a quantum wave function that shows particles in multiple states of flying spaghetti monster only for us to observe and then suddenly, all but one FSM "disappear"?
I could say the same thing about the FSM.
Does that wave function make predictions about the behavior of quantum particles that can and HAVE been tested and certified true?
So nah, you can't say the same. I mean, you can. You just sound silly doing it. The point is, whether the multi-verse is actually the answer to WTF is up with the quantum wave function, it IS a hypothesis based upon initial evidence which can at least be interpreted to support it.
Kinda like going outside today and noticing all the apples from a tree are on the ground after they were in the tree yesterday. You know for certain they ended up on the ground. How they got their is your hypothesis that is still in need of testing. But that they DID ACTUALLY GET there isn't in question.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:50 am to ThinePreparedAni
Scientist/researchers just make shite up.
That research $$$ is so big and needed, that they will just make shite up to get a big piece of that pie.
That research $$$ is so big and needed, that they will just make shite up to get a big piece of that pie.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:55 am to SuperDad
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Kinda like going outside today and noticing all the apples from a tree are on the ground after they were in the tree yesterday. You know for certain they ended up on the ground. How they got their is your hypothesis that is still in need of testing. But that they DID ACTUALLY GET there isn't in question.
You think that’s analogous to a multiverse and I’m the one who sounds silly? Sure.
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