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re: Pam Bondi announced that the Epstein files will be redacted

Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:21 am to
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:21 am to
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My point is if he wanted to, there is nothing stopping Trump for ordering his AG to release the unredacted files.


Of course there isn't. I haven't watched every detail but Bondi obviously got out too far over her skis, and she owns that.

But the overall question of what is going to be released when isn't Bondi, that's Trump.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:24 am to
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What national security concerns?


If you want a more nuanced and toughly researched opinion on this question let me introduce you to Whitney Webb correcting Ian Carrol after his Joe Rogan appearance:

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I really appreciate the shout-outs and Ian’s kind words about my book, but there are some things I don’t think were portrayed necessarily accurately about my work, both regarding Epstein and otherwise, and I think I should take the time to clarify those things. I’m not looking to cast shade on anyone with this clarification, just that I think I am the most qualified person to represent my own work and when other people do it, not on my behalf but their own, it can sometimes lead to misconceptions.

My interest is ultimately in my work being accurately conveyed, particularly to large audiences. Obviously the best way to understand my book is to read it, but many who watch the Rogan podcast, for example, won’t. I would happily make these clarifications on Rogan’s platform or another platform of similar size if I ever got invited.

One thing I’d like to clarify is that my books do not make the claim that “Epstein was Mossad,” the book instead argues that Epstein was an important part of a network – though arguably middle management – for a group composed of transgenerational organized crime interests (most of whom are the remnant of the Jewish mob component of the National Crime Syndicate and who promote ethno-fascist policies including via their ethnically focused philanthropy, among other activities) and major factions within both American and Israeli intelligence. They are not synonymous with either intelligence agency but arguably dominate the leadership of those intelligence agencies.

Evidence for Epstein’s ties to Israeli intelligence links him with Israeli military intelligence as opposed to Mossad, which are different parts of the Israeli intelligence apparatus (For example, it would be like confusing the DIA with the CIA). However, as noted above, Epstein was ultimately working for a network that greatly influences and exerts significant control over both the US and Israel (among other places) and that network is more loyal to itself than any one nation and also involves multiple intelligence agencies. While many people do casually use Mossad as a catch-all term for Israeli intelligence, I don’t agree with that and not making the accurate distinction creates an opening for dishonest actors to discredit the work that I and others have done on this topic when not framed properly.

Another thing I’d like to clarify is the implication that my historical reporting on the Epstein case is commendable, while my more current reporting on technocracy is significantly less so. My book on Epstein concludes with an entire chapter discussing how Epstein became irrelevant and thus expendable because the union of Big Tech with the intelligence apparatus, particularly those intelligence agencies most corrupted by the “Epstein network”, with a major focus on the national security contractor Palantir and its co-founder Peter Thiel.

While Ian is an admitted fan of my book, the reporting on technocracy that he describes as more of a turn-off for most than my Epstein book is actually in the book on Epstein itself and is arguably the main conclusion as it related to the present, from the book. There, I note that Palantir is the privatization and recreation of a nefarious neocon project developed by top figures from the Iran-Contra scandal and how tools like it, and its Unit 8200-developed equivalents from Israel, have amassed so much information on us and can also plant false or incriminating evidence on one’s devices without their knowledge, have made the type of sex blackmail ops once practiced by Epstein and other figures mentioned in the book no longer needed or relevant.

I am not sure if Ian has discussed Thiel or Palantir very much (I don’t believe he has but may be wrong on that), but a lot of my concerns about technocracy and the current administration are intimately related to both and those concerns are very well documented in One Nation Under Blackmail (which was published even before the official confirmation of Thiel-Epstein meetings). Of course, Peter Thiel’s errand boy now being Vice President of the US and the many Thiel or Palantir-adjacent figures in this administration make this not politically expedient to point out, particularly if the views you publicly propagate involve claiming that the current administration is a major departure from the Epstein network, which I argue – in my book as well as today – that it is likely not.

In that same vein, I think it is important to push back as nicely as possible on Ian’s suggestion that the Erik Prince “unplugged” phone seems to be a good investment for those concerned about illegal surveillance. While Ian has since described that as an “off-handed” comment and that he hasn't researched the phone, I think both he and everyone should know the following.

Prince has a close relationship with and hired the Unit 8200 alumnus and co-founder of the Epstein and Thiel-funded (and Ehud Barak-chaired) Carbyne911, which seeks to harvest as much data off of your phone as possible when you call 911 and feed the same pre-crime paradigm with that data that Palantir is also seeking to develop (Carbyne is discussed in my book as well). With this woman (her name is Lital Leshem), Prince has developed a very suspect company to funnel technology and products developed by foreign military/intelligence (in this case, Israel) to the US military, creating a loophole for acquisition of what would normally be forbidden products for the US military. In addition, the “unplugged” phone itself was also developed by Unit 8200 almuni. This is significant as Israel has an admitted policy of using companies created by “former” Unit 8200 operatives as fronts for activities Unit 8200 and Mossad once conducted “in house”. For anyone concerned about sex blackmail, Israeli intelligence espionage and/or pre-crime, stay as far away from this phone as possible. Sources for some of the points made above are contained in reporting that I published after my book came out, so I will post those links below.

To conclude, I am more than happy to and very capable of representing my own work to any audience, and when other people try to represent my work instead of me, even if well-intentioned, it can lead to misconceptions about me, my work and my conclusions and I think it is well within reason for me to do my best to ensure that my work is portrayed as accurately as possible.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
17521 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:26 am to
She's garbage.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26937 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:29 am to
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Obviously the best way to understand my book is to read it, but many who watch the Rogan podcast, for example, won’t.



She's not wrong, and I like Rogan depending on the guest.
Posted by LafourcheTiger
Avarua, Cook Islands
Member since Mar 2009
2258 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:31 am to
She’s a woman just like Amy Coney Barrett. Weak and infected with stupidity
Posted by Swampcat
Member since Dec 2003
12404 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:36 am to
Thing is is she releases some of those names; then they blackmail the others that even this administration is going to have to protect due to “ national security “ or whatever!
Posted by FLTech
Member since Sep 2017
25011 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:37 am to
I see nothing wrong with promising this list.. it’s not Trump, Bondi’s and Kash’s fault that the evidence has been picked over, lost, damaged, deleted, scrubbed, etc etc etc before they became in office
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:39 am to
When Whitney says this:

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My book on Epstein concludes with an entire chapter discussing how Epstein became irrelevant and thus expendable because the union of Big Tech with the intelligence apparatus, particularly those intelligence agencies most corrupted by the “Epstein network”, with a major focus on the national security contractor Palantir and its co-founder Peter Thiel.


It leads me to believe that Whitney is one of Sundance's primary sources on the subject of Palantir and Peter Theil. As supportive as Sundance is on Trump he is very critical and cautious of his relationship with Palantir and Peter Theil. If you search "Palantir" on his website he has a shite ton of articles on the subject. Bottomline: Palantir will collide with our 4th amendment rights.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
63205 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:39 am to
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One thing I’d like to clarify is that my books do not make the claim that “Epstein was Mossad,” the book instead argues that Epstein was an important part of a network – though arguably middle management – for a group composed of transgenerational organized crime interests (most of whom are the remnant of the Jewish mob component of the National Crime Syndicate and who promote ethno-fascist policies including via their ethnically focused philanthropy, among other activities) and major factions within both American and Israeli intelligence. They are not synonymous with either intelligence agency but arguably dominate the leadership of those intelligence agencies.
This part is both revealing and disingenuous. The jewish crime syndicates she mentions are definitely a historical driving force of this activity, but to claim that they are a supra-national force not at all associated with Israeli government is false. They are historically one and the same.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
32461 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:40 am to
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I see nothing wrong with promising this list.. it’s not Trump, Bondi’s and Kash’s fault that the evidence has been picked over, lost, damaged, deleted, scrubbed, etc etc etc before they became in office


So why tease it then without confirming?
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
1587 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:40 am to
Unacceptable. Im a fan of most of what this administration has done but add this to the list of absurd moves.

“National Security”
“Take the guns first”
Bump stock ban
Operation Warp Speed
Just to name a few.
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
14580 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:42 am to
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So why tease it then without confirming?


They got caught up in the Billy Badass moment, I guess. They did the opposite of speaking softly and carrying a big stick. Rather, they shouted from the rooftops armed with a toothpick.

It was a misstep, and I truly hope they can regroup and avoid a similar mistake in the future.
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
7219 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:43 am to
Days old video clip. Ho hum.
Posted by NashvilleTider
Your Mom
Member since Jan 2007
15242 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:46 am to
I don’t want them released I want Trump to use them to get things done. If they have the goods on folks let them know and get them to do his bidding.
Posted by BhamTigah
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:47 am to
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Bondi has been a huge disappointment


Meh, as much as I love Trump, he made campaign promises that put pressure on his people to do things they shouldn't do...like publish unredacted files that are still being investigated. She handled it the only way she could by following his orders but keeping the investigation under wraps.

Either that or there were too many "good guys" on the list, in which case I wouldn't think Bondi would be the final say on whether to publish or not.

Either way, I'd say she's taking one for the team here.
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
14580 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:48 am to
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I don’t want them released I want Trump to use them to get things done. If they have the goods on folks let them know and get them to do his bidding.


I would agree but for the fact this deals in sex trafficking of young women and girls... they, and others like them, deserve justice.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71773 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:48 am to
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8527 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:49 am to
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DEI hires get you this. Women have no business in this role.


To be fair, Jeff Sessions wasn't any better in Trump's first administration. But this is where the rubber is going to meet the road with this administration. For all of the talk about transparency, this is a terrible look for Trump. Israelis, Republicans, Democrats or whoever, if you broke the law you need to face justice. Otherwise, all of the talk about a two tiered justice system will remain the status quo. And that's terrible for America First.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:49 am to
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This part is both revealing and disingenuous.


But she further explains:

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Evidence for Epstein’s ties to Israeli intelligence links him with Israeli military intelligence as opposed to Mossad, which are different parts of the Israeli intelligence apparatus (For example, it would be like confusing the DIA with the CIA). However, as noted above, Epstein was ultimately working for a network that greatly influences and exerts significant control over both the US and Israel (among other places) and that network is more loyal to itself than any one nation and also involves multiple intelligence agencies.


She digs deeper here, but Greatest Ally military intelligence or Mossad is a distinction without a difference. But she is such an autist that these distinctions are really important to her.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26937 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 8:49 am to
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Either that or there were too many "good guys" on the list, in which case I wouldn't think Bondi would be the final say on whether to publish or not.

Either way, I'd say she's taking one for the team here.


There's no way Bondi is the final say on this.

She probably is taking one for the team, but that's SOP in politics at this level and she knows that.
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