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re: Ownership of a college degree is a poor proxy for intelligence, imo
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:35 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:35 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Hypothesis: the stronger the positive correlation between a particular major and high income, the better a proxy for intelligence it is.
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:35 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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My point can be summed up like this: A college graduate has much more knowledge than non-college graduates in the subject they received a degree in. A non-college graduate is much more knowledgeable about the subject of their career than a college graduate.
Certainly, and I totally agree. But I think that point informs this one:
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Doesn't mean you're brilliant, just means you can accomplish a task after starting it.
Getting a college degree does not make you automatically more intelligent than someone that doesn't have one, but it proves that you can accomplish a (somewhat) difficult task that takes years to do.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:36 am to Salmon
quote:I think that intelligence is a multi-dimensional thing.
how doe this relate to overall intelligence though?
To extend my literature example, when someone first looks at the title of the book "As I lay Dying", and immediately recognize it as a reference to a famous scene from the Odyssey when Odysseus goes down to Hades and sees Agamemnon, that's a sign of literary intelligence, and you can probably infer the person is pretty smart.
On the other hand, when someone notices a market for a particular good, say Empanadas, is very profitable and creates a very successful empanada restaurant, that is also a sign of intelligence, and you can infer this person is good at noticing consumer wants.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:36 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Sure, but the intelligence required to be a physician or theoretical physicist is greater than the intelligence required to be a bartender or barista.
My point can be summed up like this: A college graduate has much more knowledge than non-college graduates in the subject they received a degree in. A non-college graduate is much more knowledgeable about the subject of their career than a college graduate.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:38 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:It's called the Cattell–Horn–Carroll (CHC) theory of intelligence. CHC Theory
I think that intelligence is a multi-dimensional thing.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:40 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Agree 100%.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:41 am to Lsupimp
Did someone really claim that people today are smarter than they were in the past? LOL
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:41 am to 90proofprofessional
quote:Hypothesis 2: Except for economics; it is the outlier on the low end intelligence party of the relationship. At least Nasim Taleb sometimes seems to believe it.
Hypothesis: the stronger the positive correlation between a particular major and high income, the better a proxy for intelligence it is.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:42 am to buckeye_vol
quote:The mathematical, scientific, and biological intelligence required to be a theoretical scientist or mathematician is greater than a bartender. On the other hand, the ability to connect with people and social intelligence is probably grater in the latter field.
but the intelligence required to be a physician or theoretical physicist is greater than the intelligence required to be a bartender or barista.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:44 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I know many people with higher level degrees than me and aren't close to my IQ score.
So absolutely having a degree does not make you a smarter overall person.
So absolutely having a degree does not make you a smarter overall person.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:44 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Of course, but the social skills are not independent of intelligence; there is a a positive relationship with intelligence and social skills since social skills require cognitive processing and learning.
The mathematical, scientific, and biological intelligence required to be a theoretical scientist or mathematician is greater than a bartender. On the other hand, the ability to connect with people and social intelligence is probably grater in the latter field.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:44 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I think degrees have become so common that they are viewed as a highschool diploma of the past.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:47 am to the LSUSaint
quote:I'm sure this is true (whether you know them or not), but how do you know you're more intelligent? Not that many people will ever take an IQ test, let alone know many other individuals who have taken one to make comparisons.
I know many people with higher level degrees than me and aren't close to my IQ score.
Do you ever wonder if you're overestimating this?
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:49 am to buckeye_vol
I'M NOT FRAGILE YOU'RE FRAGILE
GET YOUR SKIN IN THE GAME RAWR
GET YOUR SKIN IN THE GAME RAWR
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:49 am to Tigerdev
quote:Well it's it near that level, and in fact, I think that since college has become more common, the skew of the past is diminished and increases to validity of the relationship.
I think degrees have become so common that they are viewed as a highschool diploma of the past.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:54 am to buckeye_vol
The bottom line is there are certain subjects which highly benefit from formal instruction. Outside of some rare geniuses, Computer Science, Engineering, and many business "best practices" are best learned in formal education. Formal education augments experience in a huge way. This is why highly competitive organizations in both the private and public sector seek out the most educated AND most experienced to determine who is the most qualified.
It may not have a correlation to raw intellect but organizations who are looking for a high performing individual find it to be a reasonable metric when taken in the context of the whole person.
Think of education as a bare minimum to be considered qualified to enter into certain fields or be respected in certain discussions.
It may not have a correlation to raw intellect but organizations who are looking for a high performing individual find it to be a reasonable metric when taken in the context of the whole person.
Think of education as a bare minimum to be considered qualified to enter into certain fields or be respected in certain discussions.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:57 am to Tigerdev
I agree, obviously, with everything you said.
My main grievance is that we will eventually use "intelligence" as an excuse to treat some people better than others. People who are not book smart are still very important, and maybe even can teach the smart people other things that matter.
My main grievance is that we will eventually use "intelligence" as an excuse to treat some people better than others. People who are not book smart are still very important, and maybe even can teach the smart people other things that matter.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 12:00 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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Getting a degree doesn't mean you're smart. It means you have the ability to learn which is what employers are looking for.
Or had the ability to afford it as well.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 12:03 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I agree that we need to treat each other better as a society in general and this is one such example. Elitism is something we need to all fight as we gain greater success in anything. Whether it be a fine dining waiter to a waiter that works at Applebees...
Or a lawyer looking down on his bartender. It is all bullshite.
My best friends are mostly food service (I live in NOLA) and sometimes after a tough day at the office I have to restrain myself from slamming them on some of their stress complaints. Empathy must be maintained. Feelings of self-superiority can only be tempered by empathy and respect.
Or a lawyer looking down on his bartender. It is all bullshite.
My best friends are mostly food service (I live in NOLA) and sometimes after a tough day at the office I have to restrain myself from slamming them on some of their stress complaints. Empathy must be maintained. Feelings of self-superiority can only be tempered by empathy and respect.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 12:06 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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Getting a degree doesn't mean you're smart. It means you have the ability to learn. It also is proof that you finish something when you start it, which is what employers are looking for.
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