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re: Ownership of a college degree is a poor proxy for intelligence, imo
Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:53 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:53 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
And yet, they pay lower insurance rates........
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:58 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Agree with OP. Education does correlate with intelligence on the large scale (1000 PhDs will have a higher average IQ than 1000 manual laborers). However, it's false to say all uneducated people are unintelligent.
For example, there have been studies that showed that 4.5% of all high-school drop-outs have IQ's above 130, whereas only 2% of the total population has an IQ that high. If you ran the numbers based on population statistics, you would expect only about 0.25% of all dropouts to be "gifted." Instead we see almost 5% of them with an IQ over 130.
This means a disproportionately high number of gifted people don't even finish HS, much less college.
For example, there have been studies that showed that 4.5% of all high-school drop-outs have IQ's above 130, whereas only 2% of the total population has an IQ that high. If you ran the numbers based on population statistics, you would expect only about 0.25% of all dropouts to be "gifted." Instead we see almost 5% of them with an IQ over 130.
This means a disproportionately high number of gifted people don't even finish HS, much less college.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:00 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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If colleges were conservative, you'd see less of this proxy being used
I went to conservative colleges. they f'ing worship smart people.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:43 pm to buckeye_vol
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Now even if you're right about that those several people that you've met across a decade and a half didn't have any positive ROI, the "possibly" 20 to 30 percent figure is just absurd logic.
First of all, those several (3 to 5?) would have to be 20 to 30 percent of the college graduates that you've met to even establish that figure. Have you only met about 15 or so college graduates?
Even then, do you ever wonder that maybe you're limiters experiences are not very representative? I mean if you live in a rural area, or a state with fewer jobs or at least fewer job fields, then maybe it's not the degree so much as the location.
Either way, your reasoning is ridiculous, especially since there is a lot of evidence that there is a strong ROI regardless.
Here's some reading Bucknut, kinda goes along with what I've been saying and experiencing in my circle of friends and family.
Percentage of college grads not needing degree in curent job
Posted on 3/17/17 at 6:57 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
No one "owns" a college degree.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 7:50 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
This is sort of how my intro to psych professor explained intelligence back in the day.
Intelligence is the ability one has to acquire knowledge, basically you are born with a empty knowledge bucket, and over your life you engage in activities to fill it, going to school is one of many ways to do ithis.
IQ is a way of measuring the size of one's knowledge bucket. Some people have a large knowledge bucket, and strive to fill all of its available space. Others are content to lead happy lives with a less than full bucket acquiring only the minimum knowledge that is required for their chosen life path. Others have small knowledge buckets, no matter how much effort is put into learning the bucket will only hold so much, and this limits their options in life.
Some with large knowledge buckets choose to totally fill them with complex knowledge that goes very deep but is very narrow in scope leaving little room for general purpose knowledge, M.D.s and PhDs that appear to be functional idiots outside of their chosen field fail into this category.
In my opinion, getting a college will to some degree demonstrate what size your knowledge bucket may be and that you have the persistence to complete a reasonably complex long term project.
Intelligence is the ability one has to acquire knowledge, basically you are born with a empty knowledge bucket, and over your life you engage in activities to fill it, going to school is one of many ways to do ithis.
IQ is a way of measuring the size of one's knowledge bucket. Some people have a large knowledge bucket, and strive to fill all of its available space. Others are content to lead happy lives with a less than full bucket acquiring only the minimum knowledge that is required for their chosen life path. Others have small knowledge buckets, no matter how much effort is put into learning the bucket will only hold so much, and this limits their options in life.
Some with large knowledge buckets choose to totally fill them with complex knowledge that goes very deep but is very narrow in scope leaving little room for general purpose knowledge, M.D.s and PhDs that appear to be functional idiots outside of their chosen field fail into this category.
In my opinion, getting a college will to some degree demonstrate what size your knowledge bucket may be and that you have the persistence to complete a reasonably complex long term project.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 8:02 pm to EA6B
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This is sort of how my intro to psych professor explained intelligence back in the day.
Intelligence is the ability one has to acquire knowledge, basically you are born with a empty knowledge bucket, and over your life you engage in activities to fill it, going to school is one of many ways to do ithis.
IQ is a way of measuring the size of one's knowledge bucket. Some people have a large knowledge bucket, and strive to fill all of its available space. Others are content to lead happy lives with a less than full bucket acquiring only the minimum knowledge that is required for their chosen life path. Others have small knowledge buckets, no matter how much effort is put into learning the bucket will only hold so much, and this limits their options in life.
Some with large knowledge buckets choose to totally fill them with complex knowledge that goes very deep but is very narrow in scope leaving little room for general purpose knowledge, M.D.s and PhDs that appear to be functional idiots outside of their chosen field fail into this category.
In my opinion, getting a college will to some degree demonstrate what size your knowledge bucket may be and that you have the persistence to complete a reasonably complex long term project.
The problem is we have developed this false notion that every high school grad needs to pursue a college degree. When I was in high school the counselor pretty much told ya if you were college material or occupational. If you looked at the link on my previous post you will see how many are graduating college and not using or needing their degrees for the jobs they are currently working at.
I do believe on average people with higher intelligence seek higher learning but I know several people who run their own businesses that never graduated college (dropped out) but are very successful.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 8:14 pm to EA6B
quote:Technically that's one broad ability of overall intelligence, crystallized intelligence. There are multiple other areas (working memory, processing speed, etc.).
Intelligence is the ability one has to acquire knowledge, basically you are born with a empty knowledge bucket, and over your life you engage in activities to fill it, going to school is one of many ways to do ithis.
In general, along with crystallized intelligence, the other most heavily weighted and most traditional ability, is fluid reasoning (e.g., deduction, induction).
Posted on 3/17/17 at 8:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
There are really dumb people on this board.
They are everywhere.
They are everywhere.
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