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re: Our government tried to kill Trump, this was not a lapse

Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:14 pm to
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:14 pm to
quote:

Why though?


Because the Biden Administration refusing to give him Secret Service Protection when RFK is polling 10% and candidates explicitly get protection because his father was murdered can only mean two things:

A) They want him to go broke on his security fees and have to drop out of the race due to no longer being able to afford them.

B) They want him to meet the same fate as his father and uncle.

Those are the only two. This administration wants Trump and RFK dead. They’re evil. It’s the simplest answer and why Trump should make RFK a member of his administration.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 10:16 pm
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
26719 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:14 pm to
That is why the shooter is a pawn and not part of any government agency.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35844 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:15 pm to
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Because the Biden Administration when RFK is polling 10% and candidates explicitly get protection because his father was murdered can only mean two things:


10% polling means nothing, and neither does anything that happened 70 years ago.

"Candidates" do not get protection. Jill Stein doesn't have protection. Nor does the poster POTUS 2024.

People with a viable chance to be elected POTUS get protection. RFK Jr. has never had, and will never come within a million miles of having, a viable chance to be elected President.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 10:17 pm
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87733 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:15 pm to
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Why would RFK have ever in a million years had a detail?


I realize that it’s difficult for that rigid and inflexible brain of yours to grasp this, but not everything happens in a vacuum.

There is a history behind RFK, Jr. A nasty, tragic history. It’s not beyond the pale that some lunatic would want to put his name in the history books with Oswald or Sirhan. Trump himself implied as much when commenting on RFK’s SS protection.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
10646 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:15 pm to
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Do you have any idea the amount of people that would have to be "in" on something like that?


not very many if you get the “right” people in
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:16 pm to
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10% polling means nothing, and neither does anything that happened 70 years ago.


Go frick yourself. You also want RFK dead saying this shite. You’re evil or very stupid or both. Which are you?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35844 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:17 pm to
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You also want RFK dead saying this shite.

Frankly, I don't give a single shite about RFK. I hope he takes as many votes from Biden as possible.

He still isn't a serious candidate for President, never has been, and never will be.
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
2911 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:17 pm to
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2. It was intentional incompetence (provide poor security and if something happens, something happens)


This is what I lean toward.


Think a prison hit (not Epstein; that was straight up an inside job).

1. The guard kills the prisoner?
2. Pay the guard to look the other way while someone else kills the prisoner?
3. The guard takes it upon himself to Sgt. Shultz it, "I see nothing"...?
4. The guard is Sgt. Shultz?

Probably 4, maybe 3, at most 2. 1 is unlikely.
Posted by POCKET
Member since Nov 2011
2628 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:17 pm to
quote:

Quit attributing to insane conspiracy theories what can be attributed to massive and total incompetence.


It could have happened that one of the most well trained, detailed, best equipped, etc. security details in the world failed on a scale that is so incomprehensible (including having civilians call attention to the assassin minutes before and having eyes on the assassin but letting him be) and cannot provide a straight story after that it must have happened! I understand and accept it.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
141640 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:17 pm to
say you're a guard and your QB does something to piss you off. you intentionally whiff on a block and give the DE a clear shot at the QB. you set your QB up.

you didn't conspire with anyone. but you set your QB up.

leaving an obvious sniper perch unsecured because of roof that was mostly flat was "too steep" and putting snipers on the inside is intentionally whiffing on a block.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35844 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:18 pm to
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It’s not beyond the pale that some lunatic would want to put his name in the history books with Oswald or Sirhan.

Yea, no one would have given a shite about the guy who shot Robert Lincoln.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:19 pm to
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not very many if you get the “right” people in


Ind… whatever his shitty screen name is, wants these people dead after saying RFK shouldn’t have gotten Secret Service Protection. Even Trumpers who despise him here all say he should have gotten it. They are not evil. The person with that shitty screen name is. After Trump and Fauci, RFK is almost certainly the biggest target for assassination in the country.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35844 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:19 pm to
quote:

It could have happened that one of the most well trained, detailed, best equipped, etc. security details in the world failed on a scale that is so incomprehensible (including having civilians call attention to the assassin minutes before and having eyes on the assassin but letting him be) and cannot provide a straight story after that it must have happened! I understand and accept it.

You guys really don't have any idea how the USSS operates, especially as it relates to their details outside of the sitting POTUS.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35844 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:22 pm to
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RFK shouldn’t have gotten Secret Service Protection.

It isn't should or shouldn't. I believe that there is no possible reason for the USSS to give him a detail prior to all of this.

He was never a viable candidate for office. Ever. Not once.
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
17653 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:22 pm to
quote:

You guys really don't have any idea how the USSS operates, especially as it relates to their details outside of the sitting POTUS.


You don’t either.

I very much enjoy the posters who think there’s no way this was intentional when it’s nearly general knowledge that the CIA kill Kennedy and his brother.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35844 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:26 pm to
Believe what you want baw. Spin those wheels thinking it was some sort of enormous conspiracy that somehow didn't leave any trail whatsoever.

You can't claim that the people in power are too incompetent to govern while at the same time claiming that they are capable of pulling something like this off, while ALSO believing that they were so bad at pulling it off that they failed. There are too many links, and too many holes in that nonsense. It does not work that way.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 10:27 pm
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26950 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:27 pm to
quote:

You guys really don't have any idea how the USSS operates, especially as it relates to their details outside of the sitting POTUS.


I do not, although it makes sense that the sitting POTUS would get the A team. What I wouldn't expect is for the B Team to be so utterly incompetent that this happened. Fine, you're not Delta, but can we get something above Paul Blart?

And I still lean heavily towards incompetence, but it is possible to be so incompetent that it looks like you're in on it. They've done themselves no favors here; not in the performance that day nor in the director's asinine excuses. If they wanted to look so clueless that people are wondering about their motivations, they succeeded.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87733 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:27 pm to
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Yea, no one would have given a shite about the guy who shot Robert Lincoln.


Irrelevant; to my knowledge, Robert Lincoln never ran for President.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87733 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:28 pm to
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Believe what you want baw. Spin those wheels thinking it was some sort of enormous conspiracy that somehow didn't leave any trail whatsoever.


Why are you so butthurt that people are going to think what they want to think? What do you care?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35844 posts
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:28 pm to
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What I wouldn't expect is for the B Team to be so utterly incompetent that this happened.

This wouldn't have been the B team either. Try L or M, and not nearly as numerous as people would like to believe. Notice that multiple of the guys who surrounded Trump on stage were Marshals, not USSS.

quote:

it is possible to be so incompetent that it looks like you're in on it

That.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 10:29 pm
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