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re: OT Ukraine thread - you were not kidding
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:08 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:08 am to NC_Tigah
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Ukraine descended into civil war because Ukrainians in the east were treated like shite by western Ukrainians. When the east FINALLY gained a political voice as head of state, he was removed in an illegal coup.
The "civil war" started before he left the country, because of what he did to the country.
When you frick over the vast majority of the population, they may rebel against the Russian puppet.
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Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:09 am to NC_Tigah
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The west is doing that to Russia
We haven't created a demographic crisis and a generation of males without hope, drinking themselves to early deaths.
Russia could have joined the modern international global trading network at any time but it refused, b/c Russia can only operate where it is dominant with any deal (which shows you how bad they are now subjugating themselves to China, currently). This decision by Putin has killed Russian economic development, which is a large factor in the hopelessness causing their male demographic crisis.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:20 am to Drizzt
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Does this same logic apply to us invading Iraq? Just wondering.
To be fair, Iraq invaded Kuwait first
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:20 am to Mo Jeaux
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What?
WWI & WWII. NATO, which we the US has been providing most of the $$$ for
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Fair point. The US-backed coup did form originating basis for regions to declare independence.
The "civil war" started before he left the country
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:21 am to ReeseBobby
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What’s weird is people confused as to why anyone would support a country defending themselves after they where invaded by a much larger neighbor.
Support? Giving them 100 billion dollars of your and my money is not the support I agree with. Let NATO and Europe deal with it.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:21 am to ksayetiger
quote:Not in 2001.
To be fair, Iraq invaded Kuwait first
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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Russia could have joined the modern international global trading network at any time but it refused,
So we decided to interfere.
I don't use Russia's dysfunction to excuse our little proxy war. Germany, Poland... time to step up.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:24 am to ReeseBobby
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If Russia loses decisively then yes they can be forced to pay. It’s not hard to understand.
this is just hilarious 
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:26 am to GhostOfFreedom
frick Ukraine and frick anybody who wants to spend one American dollar defending that shithole country.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:30 am to NC_Tigah
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The US-backed coup did form originating basis for regions to declare independence.
I'm not going to deny that Putin's miscalculation, leading to the civil war, led to US intervention, which led Putin to create an inorganic counter-resistance with Russian special forces posing as "ethnic Russian Ukrainians".
That's the Putin playbook. He tried over manipulation which failed spectacularly, so he went back to the tried and true formula he had used before.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
SFP won't listen, but they had a bunch of industry like shipbuilding that was destroyed after 2014 (it's covered in one of Oliver Stone's documentaries). They have their own coal they could consume, but are forced to import it. This is what the U.S. does. Hollow out countries and control them.
He hates this analogy, but if China or Russia did 1/10th of the things in Mexico we have done there, we would blow them off the map. I think what Nuland did in 2014 is sick. The only thing I agree with him on is Zelensky arguably wiped the slate clean. The problem is he ran on a peace campaign. Soon after that, he went to the Donbass and the nazi dudes laughed at him when he told them to knock it off.
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He is not running the country. It's Azov and the State Department.
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He hates this analogy, but if China or Russia did 1/10th of the things in Mexico we have done there, we would blow them off the map. I think what Nuland did in 2014 is sick. The only thing I agree with him on is Zelensky arguably wiped the slate clean. The problem is he ran on a peace campaign. Soon after that, he went to the Donbass and the nazi dudes laughed at him when he told them to knock it off.
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He is not running the country. It's Azov and the State Department.
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This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 8:40 am
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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Trying to compare alleged 1991 informal agreements to a world in 2022-2023 that has changed exponentially is foolish.
Russias position never changed, so you may want to live in a world where those agreements don't matter, but you don't.
Even in your new lunatic state you can't manifest your own reality.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:37 am to Turbeauxdog
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Russias position never changed,
And their isolation speaks volumes to how the rest of the world sees these positions.
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Even in your new lunatic state you can't manifest your own reality.
Irrational ad homs. The sign of a point being made
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:41 am to NC_Tigah
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Time will tell.
It already is telling.
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Not without a firm peace in place.
That's why I said "upon the war's conclusion."
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So?
So? NATO expands closer to Russia - which is why Putin started this war in the first place. To prevent that very occurrence.
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 8:44 am
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:42 am to Bunk Moreland
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. The only thing I agree with him on is Zelensky arguably wiped the slate clean.
I'm not really arguing that it wiped the slate clean as much as showed that our influence wasn't as great as people believe and the rhetoric related to our influence basically dies with that election, accordingly.
If we really controlled Ukraine, Z would never have been allowed to win election.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:43 am to Jack Carter
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They want to send your kids to Ukraine, but not theirs
Yep. Hell no, we won't go fight and die for "the crook" and his pal George Soros.
So what was the final death count of Americans killed in that Syrian attack? Anybody know? Or has the Biden folks and his pals in the MSM put a lid on the casuality numbers?
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:49 am to Drizzt
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Does this same logic apply to us invading Iraq? Just wondering.
We rationalized that invasion as being in our best interests, even though some say it was done on erroneous information.
The same self-serving reasoning being exercised by Putin.
Only the objectives for both moves are for the most part distinctly different.
One was done against a country for reasons which did not include long term occupation for hegemonic reasons, or to recoup lost possessions.
The other is being done by one who is a delusional, pint-sized deadly mixture of a Mongol psyche inflamed and given an edge by Leninist-Marxist dogma, whose mentor and role model is Lenin himself.
Who has shown a propensity even for killing his own people using his FSB and even some deadly substances. Whatever he needs to do to fulfill The Leninist Bolshevik Code.
But really, is there anything worse than a poisoner.
Whose sub rosa reason for the incursion is to initiate the process of recouping those lost soviets.
Or at least to be remembered by his Bolshevik countrymen buried in nostalgia and in fond memories of things past, as the one who began the process.
As for the gnashing of teeth about the amount of money being thrown at the Ukraine - yes it is a giant money-laundering scheme.
Plus the unassailable fact that Biden is like many on this board - he wouldn't mind at all if Russia wiped the Ukraine off the map, just for vastly different reasons - the most prominent being that much if not all buried evidence threatening Biden and his criminal brood could possibly be destroyed.
With no consideration at all for the misery, mutilations and worse against those who are innocent of the corruption there.
But then what can Biden possibly do to repeat the process against China, where even more "bodies" are buried.
It is comforting, though, that we have no corruption on a grand scale going on in this country.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:A different political regime was in place in the US. Had Hillary won, it is VERY likely Zelensky would not have.
If we really controlled Ukraine, Z would never have been allowed to win election.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:54 am to NC_Tigah
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A different political regime was in place in the US.
So this isn't a CIA/MIC/Deep State op?
It's tied to Presidential admins specifically?
THAT won't go over well.
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 8:55 am
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