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Ok,so Germany has 100k+ cases and near 2k deaths but TESTING!
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:54 am
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:54 am
No country was more proactive (other than SK) and rolled testing out earlier (they developed the WHO test) but they STILL have all these cases and deaths with ALL this testing? WTF?
They are putting up better numbers pet capita on deaths but it's not a huge disparity and obviously more cases per capita.
We also had millions more travelers from China coming to both coasts with much higher population density our breakout areas NYC and NJ.
Sure, testing is somewhat important but does anyone in their right mind think this was gonna be controlled and isolated just cause we rolled out testing 3 weeks earlier?
SK mitigated this thing because it turned into a police state.Sorry,that wouldn't have been possible here.
They are putting up better numbers pet capita on deaths but it's not a huge disparity and obviously more cases per capita.
We also had millions more travelers from China coming to both coasts with much higher population density our breakout areas NYC and NJ.
Sure, testing is somewhat important but does anyone in their right mind think this was gonna be controlled and isolated just cause we rolled out testing 3 weeks earlier?
SK mitigated this thing because it turned into a police state.Sorry,that wouldn't have been possible here.
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:57 am to RD Dawg
Youd think it would have been possible for Germany to do the police state thing.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:00 am to RD Dawg
I'd argue that thin mortality rate disparity Germany is enjoying can be attributed to a far healthier population.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:01 am to RD Dawg
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does anyone in their right mind think this was gonna be controlled and isolated just cause we rolled out testing 3 weeks earlier?
Yeah there are a lot of people that actually do. Not just for testing but taking earlier actions. Like this comment from Reddit:
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But, actually, though. His incompetence is no longer theoretical. His failure of leadership has already led to 3 times more deaths than 9/11.
I don’t agree. With US having such a massive population, we were always bound to have the most cases and deaths because no.1 and no.2 in total population are lying and not testing respectively.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:03 am to RD Dawg
Germany had a 1.5 million good test kits available by mid February. The CDC was still fumbling with a fancy test that was defective.. I feel that we would be on the downside if the CDC had not dropped the ball.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:07 am to RD Dawg
NYC is severely driving up our deaths per capita number
The state of New York is now worse in that regard than Italy and only trails Spain among countries of any significant population
Outside of NY and LA our per capita death rate is low
The state of New York is now worse in that regard than Italy and only trails Spain among countries of any significant population
Outside of NY and LA our per capita death rate is low
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:11 am to Athis
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Germany had a 1.5 million good test kits available by mid February
Sure and with all these test kits early on and they STILL have more cases more capita?
Gee,IF we had ONLY rolled out tests early we'd be where?
Even if we had tests earlier you think we were gonna do "drive by" testing on NYC? With their population density? C'mon
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feel that we would be on the downside if the CDC had not dropped the ball.
What about France and England? BOTH had the WHO test early and both have much higher deaths per
capita,death rates and infections per capita.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:12 am to RD Dawg
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We also had millions more travelers from China
Millions?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:17 am to Athis
quote:yours is an opinion, a speculation, which the rising German numbers clearly show is perhaps wishful thinking on your part.
.. I feel that we would be on the downside if the CDC had not dropped the ball.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:30 am to JawjaTigah
The higher the testing rate, the higher the detection raw total will be, and the earlier measures like patient isolation and medical intervention can be undertaken.
Germany has performed more than 11,000 tests per million- a bit over 1.1% of the population. The US has performed about half that, at just about 0.6%
Germany has performed more than 11,000 tests per million- a bit over 1.1% of the population. The US has performed about half that, at just about 0.6%
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:31 am to ClientNumber9
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can be attributed to a far healthier population.
They smoke like chimneys. And this is a disease that hits the lungs very hard.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:46 am to ClientNumber9
I read an article by a Spanish reporter that said the reason Germany had a lower death rate is because they only count the people that died in a hospital. A year from now let's compare previous years deaths to 2020 to see how many people actually died from this virus.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:53 am to Richleau
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Youd think it would have been possible for Germany to do the police state thing.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:53 am to BoardReader
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The higher the testing rate, the higher the detection raw total will be, and the earlier measures like patient isolation and medical intervention can be undertaken
And yet the virus has still obviously spread alond with the deaths that follow.
Don't know how many comments and articles I that talked about how this thing "coulda been stopped!" had we taken earlier testing action.
That wasn't gonna happen plus we had thousands of visitors from China arriving daily on the west coast and East coast not to mention a higher population density in our 2 main breakout areas (NY and NJ)
We have pretty much contained it on the west coast.It was NEVER gonna happen in NYC.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:00 pm to Richleau
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Youd think it would have been possible for Germany to do the police state thing.
“Show me your papers” probably wouldn’t go over too well there
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:07 pm to RD Dawg
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And yet the virus has still obviously spread alond with the deaths that follow.
The virus will spread at some rate, no matter the steps taken; the questions are how the caseload gets managed-- and the superior initial detection helps reduce the amplitude of the undetected case numbers, by identifying candidates for isolation earlier, and allowing earlier treatment-- hence the lower death rate.
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Don't know how many comments and articles I that talked about how this thing "coulda been stopped!" had we taken earlier testing action.
This comes down to how the word 'stopped' is considered. If you mean 'no, no infection, none whatsoever'-- then no. If you mean 'Massively better infection management, significantly lower death and hospitalization totals', then, yes, absolutely.
Infectious diseases don't have an off/on switch in populations. The point of early intervention is to reduce the amplitude of any wave function. Given that this is a problem that systems are having to gear up to deal with, without the benefit of time to do so, its making problems that would be simpler to deal with over a longer term, much more severe.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:37 pm to BoardReader
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undetected case numbers, by identifying candidates for isolation earlier, and allowing earlier treatment-- hence the lower death rate.
It helps but it's also helped that the average age of someone who becomes infected is younger by 12 years than France or Italy.Dont have US figures but I would imagine it's older.
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But the average age of contracting the disease remains relatively low, at 49. In France, it is 62.5 and in Italy 62, according to their latest national reports.
Makes a big difference.France had comprehensive and early
testing as well and they're way ahead in death rate and deaths per capita.
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significantly lower death and hospitalization totals', then, yes, absolutely
"Significantly lower?" Not really and that's my entire point.
Especially with their age demos and less population density.
BTW, there isn't massive testing program going on in Japan and they're still under 100 deaths with a population of 128 million and also had millions of Chinese visitors last year.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:39 pm to RD Dawg
quote:imagine how much better NYC may look if testing was ready.
Sure, testing is somewhat important but does anyone in their right mind think this was gonna be controlled and isolated just cause we rolled out testing 3 weeks earlier?
I ain’t blaming anyone, but it would’ve helped
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:50 pm to tigerfoot
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imagine how much better NYC May look of testing was ready.
I ain’t blaming anyone, but it would’ve helped
As fast as it spread and with their population density?
Not sure.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:51 pm to RD Dawg
quote:that is why catching the cases earlier would’ve shown great benefit.
with their population density?
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