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re: Okay, first I've heard of these accusations from RFK concerning the vaccine.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:45 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:45 pm to GumboPot
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was just going by memory with the 99.7% survival rate but I looked it up. The survival rates were even higher.
I think the problem here is you're misinterpreting the term survival rate. Your chart shows mortality rate, not survival rate. Those are different things. For a real look at case fatality rate, here you go:
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Even you can agree that it's much lower than 99.7%.
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:48 pm to BamaAtl
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Even with that exclusion (which we shouldn't do), it's not true. What made Covid-19 such a problem was the combination of asymptomatic transmission and the high number of severe complications - often respiratory - requiring hospitalization.
No.
In fact, the Covid mortality rate for people under 40 is actually lower than the flu.
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Not true, unless you're making up a term to get around facts again
There's no trick in what I posted. The trick was in how "Covid hospitalizations" were recorded/reported. Go read on it. Even The Atlantic, hardly a right wing rag, has reported on this.
Over half of reported Covid hospitalizations involved admittees that were asymptomatic for Covid or suffering mild Covid symptoms. In other words, about half of "Covid hospitalizations" were people hospitalized for other reasons at a time they either had the virus (but not suffering from it) or within 30 days of having the virus.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:57 pm to GumboPot
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The people almost forcing it upon us were acting extremely abnormally.
What we need to accept is that MDs and scientists are a lot dumber than we ever thought. Instead of engaging in vigorous debate in the tradition of Galileo, medical science has become a theology. It’s a hierarchical system like the Catholic Church. The papacy is housed at the corrupt federal health bureaucracy, and your local MD is the priest administering the sacrament.
Over the years there have been some scientists that somehow preserved their independence and humanity, and they tried to warn us. Bill Hamilton was one. Their voices got drowned out by the mindless horde and actively suppressed by the funding authorities.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:59 pm to BamaAtl
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I think the problem here is you're misinterpreting the term survival rate.
Isn't mortality the inverse of survival? That is all I did here.
If you die you didn't survive and vise versa. There is no in between.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:00 pm to David_DJS
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There's no trick in what I posted.
Then you're wrong.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:03 pm to GumboPot
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Isn't mortality the inverse of survival? That is all I did here.
If you have 100% spread through a population, yes. But we don't, even today. This was especially true early in the pandemic before the vaccines. So it's an error to count someone who didn't contract the virus as a survivor of said virus.
Saying "only .3% of the entire population died" is far different from "2-10% of everyone who caught the virus died".
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:06 pm to BamaAtl
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Then you're wrong.
I'm not wrong. You are ignorant.
And to be clear, The Atlantic was not the only outlet to report this. Hell, Stanford Lucille Packard Children's Hospital reported on this mid-2020.
Our Most Reliable Pandemic Number is Losing Meaning
This was The Atlantic in Sep '21 and as the pandemic drug on, "almost half" became more than half.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:06 pm to BamaAtl
quote:your boys in Wuhan doing work, no?
BamaAtl
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:20 pm to David_DJS
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This was The Atlantic in Sep '21
Here's the Atlantic in January 2022 saying you're wrong.
Covid Hospitalization Numbers Are as Bad as They Look
Seems like once they got more information, they disagreed with their earlier analysis. Funny, that's how science works.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:26 pm to BamaAtl
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Seems like once they got more information, they disagreed with their earlier analysis. Funny, that's how science works.
I posted a report on a study. And it's not the only report and it didn't report on the only study.
You posted an opinion piece.
And more important, these nuances don’t alter the real, urgent, and enormous crisis unfolding in American hospitals. Whether patients are admitted with or for COVID, they’re still being admitted in record volumes that hospitals are struggling to care for.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:30 pm to SirWinston
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:34 pm to cajunangelle
He also led efforts to turn the Hudson River Basin from a lifeless barren waterway to one of the cleanest estuarys on the Atlantic.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:38 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
i heard that in the interview. that is a good thing. but what are his energy policies? what are his views on globalism and the great reset?
Trump is correct about Pennsylvania; it is liquid gold.
Trump is correct about Pennsylvania; it is liquid gold.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:40 pm to GumboPot
I don't know, man. The people with the great hair on tv told me he has been Debonked. Plus, NPR State Radio and all the newspapers. They wouldn't lie, I mean they went to The Ivy League schools, for Pete's sake. I went to a state school in the racist Southern hinterlands, have never even met someone who works at a hedge fund, and didn't I even know what brie was until I was in my 30's. I trust The DeBonker. And you should too, or else you are racist.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:51 pm to Lsupimp
that is someone that posts here or quite a few.Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:56 pm to David_DJS
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I posted a report on a study.
Your conclusions on that study were incorrect. Let's go to the real study:
LINK
This was a study done on only VA hospital inpatients, from Mar20-Nov21, with a definition of severe disease as requiring any supplemental oxygen or having an Sp02 reading <94% within 2 weeks of a positive COVID-19 test.
A few problems with your characterization of the results. First, the VA at this time conducted universal COVID-19 screening of all inpatients regardless of the reason for admission, so a number of these patients were ill for other reasons, admitted, then tested positive. This was not true universally, so rates vary.
Second, their definition didn't take into account other severe forms of illness due to COVID-19 infection. There is no mention of dialysis or extreme GI distress, for example.
Finally, this study was conducted to help improve the COVID-19 case definition as the vaccinated population changed the dynamics of the illness. From the results:
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From March 1, 2020, through January 23, 2021, the proportion of hospitalized patients with moderate-to-severe disease was 64.0% (95% CI, 63.1%–64.9%) and from January 21, 2021, through November 21, 2021, this proportion was 56.4% (95% CI, 55.6%–57.2%).
Can we both agree that 64% and 56.4% are both above 50%? Even with that, the authors admit one limitation is that severe COVID-19 cases may have been more likely to be admitted to non-VA hospitals.
But back to the authors' main point, we saw a distinct shift in the proportion of hospitalized patients who tested positive for COVID-19 who were experiencing severe complications around the time the vaccine was introduced. In other words, the vaccine led to reduced rates of complication and was effective.
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In this large, national cohort, the proportion of hospitalizations due to moderate-to-severe COVID-19 decreased following vaccine availability, particularly among vaccinated patients.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:58 pm to Lsupimp
quote:you know what...
there is good news for a change. the people like Jimmy Dore, Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, Rogan all have podcasts and no one believes these dorks in your meme.
the leftists and neocons are the minority establishment. their trick that they rule is a farce. the MSM has really lost credibility; but you will still get some idjets in Atl airport believing CNN.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 5:15 pm to BamaAtl
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Your conclusions on that study were incorrect. Let's go to the real study:
This was a study done on only VA hospital inpatients, from Mar20-Nov21, with a definition of severe disease as requiring any supplemental oxygen or having an Sp02 reading <94% within 2 weeks of a positive COVID-19 test.
How can a report published by the Atlantic on September 13, 2021 cover a study that was conducted over a period that ended in November 2021?
Posted on 6/27/23 at 5:39 pm to BurntOrangeMan
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"It turns out that you know the vaccines were developed not by Moderna and Pfizer. They were developed by NIH, they own the patents,
Literal quote from the original post. You're talking about something else entirely from the original claim.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 7:35 pm to David_DJS
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How can a report published by the Atlantic on September 13, 2021 cover a study that was conducted over a period that ended in November 2021?
That study was a direct link from their article. Perhaps it was updated.
Either way, you're incorrect.
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