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ewdij
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OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands


OysterPoBoy
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
How is a city controlling the internet free market?


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Jack Carter
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
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Ohio's Republican-controlled legislature is on the verge of imposing a state law to dramatically restrict the rights of cities and towns to build and operate municipal broadband networks.



They have a right to control broadband networks?


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Jack Carter
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
"How is this pro free market?"


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There are reportedly 30 or more municipal broadband providers in Ohio that "would not be allowed to operate so long as there is a private-sector company operating in the area, as there are in most, if not all of the cities."





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RebelExpress38
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
So the government is trying to compete with private internet providers?

If the government set up grocery stores next door to private grocery stores and made the private companies pay taxes to fund the public grocery store next door, I’m not sure I’d call that the “free market.”


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Jack Carter
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
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The amendment would let cities and towns provide broadband service only to unserved areas and uses a definition of "unserved" that reportedly makes over 98 percent of the state ineligible for municipal broadband.



Oh noes! Only up to 2% of the population would be on the government-controlled broadband! This is an outrage!



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The legislation would also prohibit a city or town from offering service outside its borders, even if a nearby town has areas that meet the "unserved" definition.



Just tell the truth you dishonest, rotten democrats: You want the same type of control over the internet that the CCP does.
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Willie Stroker
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
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How is this pro free market?



Do you really believe that providing limitations to what taxpayer money can be used for is not pro free market? They are letting the free market prevail and opposing the government favoring preferred vendors at taxpayer expense.



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RogerTheShrubber
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
Just another fight between statists and statists.

The left wing statists want the web to be controlled by government. The right wing statists want laws to keep municipalities from competing.

I prefer neither.


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Ace Midnight
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
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You want the same type of control over the internet that the CCP does.




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RebelExpress38
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
If your “competition” has the authority to tax and regulate you, and your taxes fund their entire business, they aren’t your competition.



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TBoy
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
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If your “competition” has the authority to tax and regulate you, and your taxes fund their entire business, they aren’t your competition.

What actually happens is like what happened in Lafayette. The Chamber of Commerce went to each of the telecommunication and cable companies, Bell South, Cox, etc., and asked them if any of them would consider upgrading their infrastructure in Lafayette to fiber optic cable. They all said no, because Lafayette is not a large enough market. So LUS stepped in to run fiber to every home in the city. The response was that Bell South and Cox sued. The position of the commercial providers was that they weren't going to upgrade, and no one else could either. Ultimately LUS won in court and the fiber system was built.

To this day none of the other commercial providers have strung fiber to the home.


DesScorp
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
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How is this pro free market?


There are no free markets.


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CGSC Lobotomy
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
Easy. The current status quo is anti-Free Market.

Example: Try laying fiber in Seattle when your name is not Lumen or Comcast and see what happens.


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CajunTiger92
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
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To this day none of the other commercial providers have strung fiber to the home


ATT has strung fiber in Lafayette.


cadillacattack
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
Legislators are against Municipal broadband providers for one simple reason ...... their ATT lobbyists, the same ones that line their pockets come election time, tell them to squash it.

That is the problem, pure and simple.

The construction costs to run fiber optic cable are enormous.
$30K-$35k per mile aerial, $45k-$60k per mile subterranean .... avg $35K per railroad crossing, plus right of way fees, plus permits, etc.

Maintenance is $200-$215 per mile .... every year

Then you have to light it with optical hardware in order to transport services ... hundreds of thousand of dollars.

It is a massively capital-intensive proposition. It is difficult for rural areas to justify because there is low-density subscriber demographics .... very long ROI metrics.

ATT isn't kept honest because they aren't held accountable by our Legislators. Same for most other national exchange carriers.

It makes sense for municipals to provide broadband fiber because they already own the right of ways and easements (lower costs)
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FooManChoo
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
How is it not free market?


CGSC Lobotomy
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
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How is it not free market?


Municipalities colluding with specific companies for the expressed purpose of making competition illegal is not "free market".


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TBoy
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
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ATT has strung fiber in Lafayette.

I don’t think it goes beyond the switches, not all the way to the homes. If it does go to the home now, that’s recent, like almost ten years behind LUS


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GumboPot
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re: OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
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OH Repubs trying to ban municipal broadbands
How is this pro free market?


It's not. These Republicans are clearly bought and paid for by the big ISPs.

I'm connected to my neighborhood fiber and f'ing love it.


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