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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 5/23/26 at 10:22 am to TroutGuy
Posted on 5/23/26 at 10:22 am to TroutGuy
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It would also include a commitment to discussing the "diluting or handing over" of Iran's highly enrich uranium
Is this like scheduling a meeting to discuss when the next meeting will take place?
Who knew me and JD Vance deal with the same shite from difficult clients
Posted on 5/23/26 at 10:27 am to PaulDrake
Yeah, I don't think Trump would accept anything resembling a deal like that, especially since he's repeatedly bashed Obama's deal. So it's probably a bs leak by Iran or one of its de facto proxies like Pakistan.
But just the fact that we're still engaging with these people after several weeks of negotiations, during which time we've issued and then ignored several "deadlines" will, as Senator Wicker said, be perceived as a sign of weakness on the part of the US. We should be loading bombers now (should have weeks ago), not getting jerked around with these bs offers.
But just the fact that we're still engaging with these people after several weeks of negotiations, during which time we've issued and then ignored several "deadlines" will, as Senator Wicker said, be perceived as a sign of weakness on the part of the US. We should be loading bombers now (should have weeks ago), not getting jerked around with these bs offers.
This post was edited on 5/23/26 at 10:29 am
Posted on 5/23/26 at 10:28 am to TroutGuy
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The most generous explanation I can come up with is that, since we will likely have to be launching B-2s from the US, the generals have told Trump that they need a couple more days to get things ready. The alternative is too painful to contemplate- that we have descended to the point where the nation which won WW 1 and 2 loses the will to fight a very short war over high gasoline prices. Back in WW2 people had to have gas ration cards to drive civilian vehicles at all. But we didn't back down.
We shackled our people to the consumerist hedonistic treadmill after WWII to end working class unity and labor militance. This is the price we pay for that decision.
This post was edited on 5/23/26 at 10:31 am
Posted on 5/23/26 at 10:32 am to TroutGuy
I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but I suspect that there are multiple factions in play and competing with each other. There is a very big stick and some equally large carrots on the table. The only deal that makes any sense is regime change collecting the carrots.
Posted on 5/23/26 at 10:34 am to ColoradoAg
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told you. Trump will do nothing. He's just looking for a political out with acceptable losses, which is honestly pathetic
If the IRGC survives this then Trump has completely failed. He has kicked the can right into a bees hive.
This post was edited on 5/23/26 at 10:34 am
Posted on 5/23/26 at 10:41 am to DiamondDog
While I was initially dismayed by Rubio's statement, given these leaks about a supposed deal, I'm now a bit comforted by his statement that "the Straits need to be open without tolls. They need to turn over their enriched uranium." Iran won't agree to either of those, and I'll give Rubio and Trump the benefit of the doubt that they will enforce those red lines and not accept any deal which backs away from them. I think they are making a big mistake in giving Iran 100 chances to accept a deal they've already rejected, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that it's just a question of timing and not capitulation on our part. As long as we keep the blockade up and tight, we are doing real damage to Iran, though I'd prefer we add a destroyed power grid to the pressure on them.
This post was edited on 5/23/26 at 10:42 am
Posted on 5/23/26 at 10:42 am to TroutGuy
If we do anything less than regain free navigation and end their nuclear program than there was no point in this other than creating new orders for US MIC.
Posted on 5/23/26 at 10:44 am to TroutGuy
Loading Twitter/X Embed...
If tweet fails to load, click here. Deal proposes:
- Open Hormuz Straight with temporary pause in fee collection.
- Reparations to Iran
- Suspension of enrichment above 3.6% for 10 years
- Dilute stockpile of enriched Uranium to 20%
- Remove Iranian sanctions
Posted on 5/23/26 at 10:45 am to TroutGuy
Posted on 5/23/26 at 10:46 am to TroutGuy
Posted on 5/23/26 at 10:51 am to TroutGuy
Posted on 5/23/26 at 10:51 am to TroutGuy
He will accept the deal
Guess the every day Iranian will never come outside again
Guess the every day Iranian will never come outside again
This post was edited on 5/23/26 at 10:53 am
Posted on 5/23/26 at 10:54 am to TroutGuy
Posted on 5/23/26 at 10:55 am to ColoradoAg
You'd probably be happier if you spent less time thinking about this Iran thing and more time counting your money.
I'm not alone in this thought.
I'm not alone in this thought.
Posted on 5/23/26 at 10:56 am to wfallstiger
The amount of spin and cope on message boards and X is going to be epic if/when a deal like that is done
I look forward to our usual suspects on here bringing 10,000 word tweets about how this was all a 6 level deep operation to overthrow the ancient cabal overlords and secretly transfer 80 ga-trillion dollars of wealth from Europe's elites to the US
Also, once the strait is reopened, let's check back in a few weeks on the "beautiful line of beautiful tankers headed to the Gulf of America". I have a feeling it might look a little different once the usual routes are open.
I look forward to our usual suspects on here bringing 10,000 word tweets about how this was all a 6 level deep operation to overthrow the ancient cabal overlords and secretly transfer 80 ga-trillion dollars of wealth from Europe's elites to the US
Also, once the strait is reopened, let's check back in a few weeks on the "beautiful line of beautiful tankers headed to the Gulf of America". I have a feeling it might look a little different once the usual routes are open.
Posted on 5/23/26 at 10:56 am to wfallstiger
My personal guess is just more of the status quo- no bombing but the blockade and endless fruitless negotiations continue. The only "deal" in this regard would be one to agree to keep talking.
This post was edited on 5/23/26 at 10:57 am
Posted on 5/23/26 at 11:02 am to TroutGuy
I don't put much stock any longer to anything coming from Axios. They have been wrong about a lot lately.
I cant imagine Trump skipping Jr's wedding then finding out his daughter was targeted for assassination by the IRGC is going to have him in the mood to put up with further BS from the regime in Iran.
It is my hope that he is basically going to tell them either accept our terms or die. And then strike them hard. Every time he extends out "negotiations" that just makes the IRGC even more bold. It does not make him look strong, rather in their eyes it makes him look weak. As I said before, there is only one thing those people respect and that is absolute brute strength.
I cant imagine Trump skipping Jr's wedding then finding out his daughter was targeted for assassination by the IRGC is going to have him in the mood to put up with further BS from the regime in Iran.
It is my hope that he is basically going to tell them either accept our terms or die. And then strike them hard. Every time he extends out "negotiations" that just makes the IRGC even more bold. It does not make him look strong, rather in their eyes it makes him look weak. As I said before, there is only one thing those people respect and that is absolute brute strength.
This post was edited on 5/23/26 at 11:03 am
Posted on 5/23/26 at 11:04 am to TroutGuy
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Oh please, Rubio, stop trying to sell us this crap. How stupid does he think we are?
I wonder, is he talking to us in the US? Or are these words and attitude intended for other non-US entities?
Edit: Thinking on it a bit, is all this "close to a deal, almost in agreement with Iran" an attempt to cause more infighting within Iran's fractured regime? More friction and infighting might weaken Iran's rulers and perhaps expose new weaknesses to be exploited.
This post was edited on 5/23/26 at 11:13 am
Posted on 5/23/26 at 11:06 am to TroutGuy
If that’s the deal that is being reported, we lost the war and wasted a whole bunch of time.
Posted on 5/23/26 at 11:10 am to BayouBengal51
so they keep their uranium, will be allowed to toll the straight (after they inevitably reneg on the temporary halt to tolls), ask us for reparations, and we are considering it? Jesus Christ, what a fricking PUSSY
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