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re: Official Debate Thread: Trump vs. Kamala—ABC @ 8cst
Posted on 9/11/24 at 1:00 am to PurpleCrush
Posted on 9/11/24 at 1:00 am to PurpleCrush
Are you a 3rd grader with no brain? Thumb in your arse eating canned spaghetti? Moronic bullshite.
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Posted on 9/11/24 at 1:18 am to borotiger
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Yes. You should go on to explain the polices that will bring on these wishes.
Are you retarded or blind?
Posted on 9/11/24 at 1:25 am to Jeb Busch Lite
Posted on 9/11/24 at 1:38 am to Jeb Busch Lite
Trump got skull fricked. I'm a Trump supporter and he sounded like a goddamn idiot. Kamala is a stupid woman but the reason she got through law school is because even idiots can memorize things. Trump is old and simple minded. I'm sick of this shite
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 1:40 am
Posted on 9/11/24 at 1:49 am to Corso
Have you ever heard of the concept of “totality of the circumstances?” Essentially it means that you make a conclusion not just based on what you can and are seeing right in front of your nose, but also on any number of things/factors that aren’t quite so blatantly obvious yet bear as much influence on the outcome as anything else whatsoever. In this case the latter of those was/is the influence of the blatant bias and “uneven playing field” injected into the situation by the so-called moderators.
So are you a simple tip of your nose kinda guy, or a totality of the circumstances guy? Because I’m gonna be straight up with you - you’re coming across as the more simple tip of the nose only kind of guy as it stands now.
So are you a simple tip of your nose kinda guy, or a totality of the circumstances guy? Because I’m gonna be straight up with you - you’re coming across as the more simple tip of the nose only kind of guy as it stands now.
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 1:52 am
Posted on 9/11/24 at 1:56 am to davyjones
Nobody forced Trump to perform the way he performed. Keep blaming it on the moderators, but they didn’t speak for him. He did all of that himself.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 1:57 am to davyjones
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Have you ever heard of the concept of “totality of the circumstances?” Essentially it means that you make a conclusion not just based on what you can and are seeing right in front of your nose, but also on any number of things/factors that aren’t quite so blatantly obvious yet bear as much influence on the outcome as anything else whatsoever. In this case the latter of those was/is the influence of the blatant bias and “uneven playing field” injected into the situation by the so-called moderators.
So are you a simple tip of your nose kinda guy, or a totality of the circumstances guy? Because I’m gonna be straight up with you - you’re coming across as the more simple tip of the nose only kind of guy as it stands now.
Dude it's a debate. The average voter is not writing a thesis on the details on nose tipping or whatever the hell you're talking about. He looked bad. Simple as that, and nobody outside of diehard Trumpers can spin it any other way
Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:03 am to Corso
I'll add to it. Even Laura Ingraham who is an actual friend of Trump, said he whiffed. Yes it biased, but he had nothing to respond with. It was bad
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 2:05 am
Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:16 am to Corso
Firstly, do you believe that the moderators intentionally had their finger on the scale in favor of Harris? If yes, proceed to the following question: To what extent did the “finger on the scale” influence/affect the likely perception of the more casual viewer?
Posted on 9/11/24 at 2:35 am to davyjones
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Firstly, do you believe that the moderators intentionally had their finger on the scale in favor of Harris? If yes, proceed to the following question: To what extent did the “finger on the scale” influence/affect the likely perception of the more casual viewer?
Of course they had their finger on the scale. I think everyone knew that going in. Did he not? Was he not prepared for that? As bad as the bias was he still could have torn her lies apart like my whole group did as soon as she said them, but he didn't. He just said his normal generic unprepared improv act and missed every opportunity to hit back. He completely missed because he thinks he's so witty he doesn't have to do anything but show up
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 2:37 am
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:00 am to Corso
What I think I’m seeing here is a failure or reluctance to delve into the minute details of the possible effects “downstream” of the moderators’ efforts to assist Harris, and in what specific ways. I observed them rebutting Trump in such a way as the opposing candidate would normally do, fact check Trump in any instance and manner they wished, and fashion the questions to Trump in specific ways intended to solicit certain lines of response in unavoidable ways/directions - amongst other various sundry things, sure, some less bothersome than others. But just for starters the fact and idea that a national mega media outlet would so brazenly do so to begin with SHOULD be one of the stories of the century itself. Just right out in the open, not a care in the world.
All that said, exactly how was Trump supposed to not only be prepared for a “normal” debate situation which itself is hard enough, ie preparing for the opponent herself, but also the wholly separate opponent in the damn moderators themselves? Imagine any other person taking on that significantly unfair battle? It just seems like there’s a concerted effort to deprive Trump of some points in his favor in this and other similar matters. And as I mentioned in another thread, does anyone seriously think that they won’t be doing the exact same thing to basically every Republican candidate from here on out? Why wouldn’t they, half or more of Republican themselves don’t seem to care one bit.
All that said, exactly how was Trump supposed to not only be prepared for a “normal” debate situation which itself is hard enough, ie preparing for the opponent herself, but also the wholly separate opponent in the damn moderators themselves? Imagine any other person taking on that significantly unfair battle? It just seems like there’s a concerted effort to deprive Trump of some points in his favor in this and other similar matters. And as I mentioned in another thread, does anyone seriously think that they won’t be doing the exact same thing to basically every Republican candidate from here on out? Why wouldn’t they, half or more of Republican themselves don’t seem to care one bit.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:18 am to DMAN1968
I'm catching up on some stuff on DVR and my god CNN is slobbering all over her
She's FINALLY done it, FINALLY after all these years and attempts at putting that monster Trump in his place and so many ppl couldn't do it but by god Kamala Harris finally put that bully in his place!
He's decimated! I expect Trump to have a press conference tomorrow announcing that he's dropping out
She's FINALLY done it, FINALLY after all these years and attempts at putting that monster Trump in his place and so many ppl couldn't do it but by god Kamala Harris finally put that bully in his place!
He's decimated! I expect Trump to have a press conference tomorrow announcing that he's dropping out
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:22 am to davyjones
A moderator fact checking a candidate should be completely off limits. While we know they are biased they enter the debate with a proposed “authority”. Their interjection will of course be incredibly influential even if it is a spin or a flat out lie.
The media does this constantly with front page headlines that they retract later on the back page. The damage is done. This is also why Trump has always challenged claims immediately. People want to tell Trump to be calm and roll over, but it guarantees the opponent the narrative. Trump has also calmly discussed the need to “control the narrative” and that it is a strategy that conservatives need to be more aggressive about. Of course those with TDS will criticize Trump’s aggressiveness when totally ignoring the outright nastiness, corruption, and extreme views of everyone on the left.
An example is the Obama “the 80s want their foreign policy back”. Romney let it go instead of leaning in with an intense argument. Obama got the one liner of the night even though it was 100% wrong.
The media does this constantly with front page headlines that they retract later on the back page. The damage is done. This is also why Trump has always challenged claims immediately. People want to tell Trump to be calm and roll over, but it guarantees the opponent the narrative. Trump has also calmly discussed the need to “control the narrative” and that it is a strategy that conservatives need to be more aggressive about. Of course those with TDS will criticize Trump’s aggressiveness when totally ignoring the outright nastiness, corruption, and extreme views of everyone on the left.
An example is the Obama “the 80s want their foreign policy back”. Romney let it go instead of leaning in with an intense argument. Obama got the one liner of the night even though it was 100% wrong.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 5:25 am to Corso
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I'll add to it. Even Laura Ingraham who is an actual friend of Trump, said he whiffed. Yes it biased, but he had nothing to respond with. It was bad
Yeah
There’s no one supporting the notion that trump won this. Even his most ardent supporters admit that she did well and he didn’t.
People want to believe that debates don’t matter but they do in some sense. Sometimes they can be confirming or sometimes they can erase a concern. This one erased a concern about Kamala’s ability to think on her feet and make coherent statements. The last one with Biden confirmed what people suspected about Biden. Look how that turned out for Biden. Ask him if debates don’t matter….
What needed to happen was have trump come off looking like a solid leader and kamala look like a second rate politician. If that had happened, it’s a death blow to kamala because that’s what people worried about. Her support would have dried up and she should languish. This debate was a big breath of fresh air to her campaign.
Big names will come forward and their support rather than hide it. Big money will flow to her instead of trickle…
debates matter.
This race will be closer than it needs to be.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 5:25 am to Colonel Flagg
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The media does this constantly with front page headlines
“Blame the media”.. “Blame the moderators”.. Jesus Christ, i thought you people were all about personal accountability ??
Posted on 9/11/24 at 5:26 am to Colonel Flagg
It so funny, all the right wing media im seeing now a few hours post-debate is all ‘As if it matters !’.. ‘Who cares about the debate , nobody’s changing their minds !’.. I am old enough to remember a couple of months ago, after the Trump-Biden debate when those same right wingers were freaking ECSTATIC .. ‘Oh, he wiped the floor with him !’.. ‘Oh it was epic !’.. You can’t have it both ways .. either both debates mattered, or neither one did .
Actually i take it back, it’s not funny- it is pathetic .
Actually i take it back, it’s not funny- it is pathetic .
Posted on 9/11/24 at 5:29 am to BK Lounge
They do matter here. Mostly with folks like yourself. No offense, but you weren’t voting for Trump under any circumstances. Thus I fail to see why it matters.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 5:35 am to davyjones
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They do matter here. Mostly with folks like yourself. No offense, but you weren’t voting for Trump under any circumstances. Thus I fail to see why it matters.
Got it.. and trust me, i would never be offended by someone stating that id never vote for Trump… But you’re saying i am immovable and inflexible, while you are more open minded and totally capable of being “won over” and voting for Kamala ? If not, then i dont understand your point .. How is one person not being swayed by a debate to ever vote for Donald any different than someone never being swayed to vote for Kamala (?)
Posted on 9/11/24 at 5:35 am to davyjones
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They do matter here. Mostly with folks like yourself. No offense, but you weren’t voting for Trump under any circumstances. Thus I fail to see why it matters.
It’s been explained here several times.
It matters.
If Kamala had come off looking like the cackling idiot that people thought she was, it would have closed the door on her campaign. Instead she came across like a fairly normal, capable candidate. I hate to say it but it’s true.
All the memes and clips of her looking like an idiot make less sense now…. She didn’t blow it.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 5:41 am to SlidellCajun
And you’re convinced that there are just that many people still buffaloed over who to vote for, desperately gluing themselves to the TV for a single debate, thinking it’s going to come to them once they view the debate? How many people amongst us here have you noted to have indicated how this debate has been what they needed to make the final decision? In the year 2024, a debate having any consequential impact once all’s said and done is a false narrative.
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