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re: Obama's CDC study on Firearms.

Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:23 pm to
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:23 pm to
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I don't have to pass a background check when I purchase a firearm?

Odd...then what was that I had to pass when I bought my last firearm?


You didn't buy it from an individual, did you? You bought it from a licensed seller? That's why you had to pass a check. It's crazy that there are loopholes you could exploit to get around that even if you're ineligible to purchase a gun.


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It's universal. All people buying a weapon from a FFL dealer have to pass one.


It's not universal when not all people buying a weapon have to pass one. Without condition.

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This doesn't address shall issue laws in any way.


You're thinking of different terminology. Under Brady, after 3 days any incomplete background check is considered a pass and the gun can be transferred. That's dumb.

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If you're not denied, what's the problem?


You would be denied given more time/resources but you are sold the gun anyway. That's the problem.

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That isn't an explanation.



It was necessary, though.

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PSA is a large volume seller.



But not the largest.

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So then you're form the banning of all semi-automatic weapons right?


Of course not. But I am for making them all a little harder to get, and for tracking them.

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You didn't answer my question.


I did answer your question.


And a reminder - a registration system does not infringe on the 2nd amendment. You're welcome!
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:24 pm to
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Wikipedia. You really thought you had something this time...


Merriam-Webster. Literally everywhere says you're wrong on this, but you're flailing.

I'm about to head to bed, let me know if you're sober in the morning and we can continue.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45820 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:25 pm to
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You're thinking of different terminology. Under Brady, after 3 days any incomplete background check is considered a pass and the gun can be transferred. That's dumb.


and if the background check later comes back as prohibited an ATF agent located the person and either has them transfer the gun to someone that can legally own it or picks it up...
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:26 pm to
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How large of a volume seller does one have to be to have the authority to define types of weapon?


I'll make it easy and say the largest seller by volume in the country.

See, that was easy.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72671 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:27 pm to
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Merriam-Webster.




Yep.

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Literally everywhere says you're wrong on this, but you're flailing.


My offer is still on the table.



Explain vehicle registrations to everyone again.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:27 pm to
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and if the background check later comes back as prohibited an ATF agent located the person and either has them transfer the gun to someone that can legally own it or picks it up...


And if they've already resold it to someone else, or 'lost it', or already used it in a crime?

Just a big ol' "oops" on the part of ATF then, huh?
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45820 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:27 pm to
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Of course not. But I am for making them all a little harder to get, and for tracking them.


So sorry, you aren't going to get to track them...
Posted by SidewalkDawg
Chair
Member since Nov 2012
9820 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:27 pm to
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Because it's incredibly useful to know that someone's already done work on DGUs and people following up on his work found the numbers to be truthfully much lower when they did it without a biased agenda.


You like Hemenway right?

How many DGU's did Hemenway suggest happened in a single year?
This post was edited on 3/12/18 at 9:43 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72671 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:28 pm to
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largest seller by volume in the country


What if they're not?

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43386 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:28 pm to
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That's why you had to pass a check.


So universal then.

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Under Brady, after 3 days any incomplete background check is considered a pass and the gun can be transferred. That's dumb.


Bureaucratic incompetence isn't my problem.

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You would be denied given more time/resources but you are sold the gun anyway. That's the problem.


See above.

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It was necessary, though.


Still not an explanation.

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But not the largest.



The largest of what? Details please.

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Of course not. But I am for making them all a little harder to get, and for tracking them.



Nothing you proposed would have stopped Cruz from getting his weapons, or the myriad of other shooters. And neither would tracking them.

Interesting you had no comment on my question about what happens when I refuse to register my firearms.

Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45820 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:28 pm to
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I'll make it easy and say the largest seller by volume in the country.

See, that was easy.


But they aren't close to the largest AR seller, that is probably Buds and PSA. They might be the largest sellers of 870's...
This post was edited on 3/12/18 at 9:29 pm
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43386 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:29 pm to
It's fun watching people who have zero knowledge of what they're talking about talk like they're knowledgeable.

It's my BamaATL is the gift that keeps on giving
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45820 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:30 pm to
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And if they've already resold it to someone else, or 'lost it', or already used it in a crime?

Just a big ol' "oops" on the part of ATF then, huh?


I guess those Gov't workers should work a little harder. The failure of their job should not impact the rights of legal gun owners
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43386 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:31 pm to
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Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45820 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:32 pm to
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It's fun watching people who have zero knowledge of what they're talking about talk like they're knowledgeable.

It's my BamaATL is the gift that keeps on giving


Yep, and there is a line for gun owners and it isn't etched in sand. I don't think they understand what happens if they cross the line...
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140703 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:32 pm to
She has some use. She's a reminder of how much we need to keep her and her ilk away from our rights.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43386 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:32 pm to
It's useful to put BamaATL's thought process in this light:

Any right of the individual is a "may issue" from the government.

Subject to revocation at any time or whim. Especially if you've been "flagged."



This post was edited on 3/12/18 at 9:33 pm
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45820 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:33 pm to
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It's useful to put BamaATL's thought process in this light:

Any right of the individual is a "may issue" from the government.

Subject to revocation at any time or whim.


See California or NYC or Jersey...
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72671 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:37 pm to
Was anyone else around for the vehicle registration hilarity?
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:37 pm to
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Why? The Lower receiver takes little punishment. It is the piece that joins all parts of the rifle together. The upper receiver is the part that takes all the punishment.


ABS is really brittle and being a printed item, I’d be worried about failure from fatigue due to crack propagation.

idk even things like the bolt catch or the buttstock I’d think would be capable of breaking. But being honest, I’m not sure exactly what was 3D printed when it was tested.

But if it’s a truly good print without many faults, maybe it’s not so much surprising as it is impressive that technology can allow us to do these things.
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