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re: Obama's CDC study on Firearms.

Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:24 am to
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:24 am to
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NO.


Yes.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:24 am to
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What parts of its functionality are solely for military use?


The parts developed by ArmaLite solely for the military - aka the entire weapon.

See, that was easy.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:25 am to
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If 3 dudes with guns show up to do a home invasion


That's not as likely to happen as your firearm being used on one of your family members, by orders of magnitude.

Stop living in a world bounded by your fear of things that will never happen.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46352 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:28 am to
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If you don't break the law, you have nothing to worry about. Isn't that what you guys say every day? Maybe live it for once.


Seattle Police Begin Gun Confiscations: No Laws Broken, No Warrant, No Charges
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:31 am to
He broke the law - refused to surrender his firearms after a court order in conjunction with a criminal case, and multiple harassment complaints while armed.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15062 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:34 am to
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The parts developed by ArmaLite solely for the military - aka the entire weapon.


So why is an AR-15 on these “assault weapons” bills but mini-14’s are exempt from the bills?
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15062 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:35 am to
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That's not as likely to happen as your firearm being used on one of your family members, by orders of magnitude.

Stop living in a world bounded by your fear of things that will never happen.


Stop living in a world that he wants to protect his family? How delusional are you?!
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:36 am to
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So why is an AR-15 on these “assault weapons” bills but mini-14’s are exempt from the bills?


In part because we haven't seen a current rash of mass shootings using mini-14's. Are they still sold at WalMart, Dicks, and the other places that are removing 'assault rifles' from their stock?
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:36 am to
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Stop living in a world that he wants to protect his family?


From something that's never going to happen, sure. Because his unfounded fear is getting real people killed.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15062 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:41 am to
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In part because we haven't seen a current rash of mass shootings using mini-14's.


So only pass laws in response to crimes? If you don’t know an AR-15 and a mini-14 are the same gun. One just has a wooden stock.

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Are they still sold at WalMart, Dicks, and the other places that are removing 'assault rifles' from their stock?


I know wal-mart sold mini-14’s. Not sure if they removed them as well. Based on the stupidity of this company in regards to firearms they probably didn’t because they don’t know anything about firearms just like you.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
45856 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:41 am to
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In part because we haven't seen a current rash of mass shootings using mini-14's.


Thanks for admitting you care nothing about a weapons's functionality and only its appearance.

How very...progressive..of you.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
15062 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:42 am to
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From something that's never going to happen, sure. Because his unfounded fear is getting real people killed.


I’m going to say this as politely as I possibly can.

You are a Jackarse
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
45856 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:44 am to
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The parts developed by ArmaLite solely for the military - aka the entire weapon.



The Colt AR-15 isn't the weapon developed by ArmaLite for the military.

But you already knew that, and don't care.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:50 am to
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So only pass laws in response to crimes?


In a perfect world, no. In our world, with entrenched interests trying to keep gun manufacturer profits high...yep.

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If you don’t know an AR-15 and a mini-14 are the same gun. One just has a wooden stock.


Sounds like you don't know what "same" means here, since they're different.

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Not sure if they removed them as well.


Maybe you should investigate that for us.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:50 am to
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civiltiger07


I'm going to say this as politely as I possibly can.

You're ignorant
Posted by SidewalkDawg
Chair
Member since Nov 2012
10290 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:52 am to
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You may want to, since he wrote the amendment.

Because that's what Republicans have repeatedly told them - they even went so far as to reduce their funding by the exact amount they had spent on gun violence research the year the Dickey amendment was enacted.


Again, none of this changes the fact that the language as written includes the term "Gun Control". Gun research can be done without promoting "Gun Control". You aren't going to wiggle out of this argument. Even former CDC employees agree that the only thing stopping the CDC is the CDC.

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And, if the government wants to target you for your guns, there's easily enough public data to profile/locate the average gun nut. You guys aren't exactly living off the grid.


So then we don't need registration if it's easy to track and locate gun owners.

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What registration can do is send up a red flag when someone like the Vegas shooter buys a ton of weapons at once, or someone with prior issues has a gun purchase (or someone with an existing gun gets flagged for an issue).


So what are we going to do after all of this liberal wet dream is passed and another mass shooting happens? Eventually we come to the point that you've already stated you don't support. Gun confiscation.

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If you don't break the law, you have nothing to worry about. Isn't that what you guys say every day? Maybe live it for once.


So you are perfectly fine removing the rights of someone who indulges in pot, a largely harmless drug, in order to make some broader point? This is not a road you want to go down.

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They might not know that their brother has 5 guns, instead of the 3 they thought he had. If the police come and leave him 2, that's not a very safe situation for the person who triggered the alert.


Fine, what are you going to do to stop this person from buying a stolen gun off a gangbanger? We are taking such extreme measures to make lawful citizens lives so much more difficult in order to contain these fringe cases, but what are we going to do about black markets and stolen weapons? These make up for most of the gun crimes in your statistics.

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Which is why nobody's saying 'just' do the age limit.


And I'm saying that this arbitrary age limit isn't going to reduce crime. It's like you think laws are universally enforced and universally followed. This just isn't the case, especially not for someone intent on doing harm.

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I disagree, and you've proven to not be honest on this issue in the past, so there is no reason to believe your rhetoric on the matter. The largest firearms sellers in the country believe that there is a difference.


Quote my dishonesty. You aren't going to persuade me with some stupid strawman about how SOME companies that sell firearms are appealing to the liberal base to win brownie points.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
45856 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:03 am to
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Sounds like you don't know what "same" means here, since they're different.



How is the AR-15 different from the Mini-14?

Exact details please.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63232 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:05 am to
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The parts developed by ArmaLite solely for the military - aka the entire weapon.
specifically, which ones?

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See, that was easy.
Indeed. Almost feel guilty for making you look like a fool. By all appearances you are unable to answer a simple question.
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 9:06 am
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:05 am to
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People who wish to kill can find an easy way no matter what laws you clowns pass.


This is incorrect.
so you're denying that pressure cookers were used in the boston bombing?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63232 posts
Posted on 3/7/18 at 9:06 am to
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That's not as likely to happen as your firearm being used on one of your family members, by orders of magnitude.

A home invasion is far-farhigher probability than his weapon being used in a mass shooting

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