re: Obama's CDC study on Firearms.

So an aggregation and analysis of research done by experts over time that sponsored by the uber liberal federal government isn't good enough?

But you cited a fricking magazine article.

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untrue

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Quite true. Again, the guy is in charge of the injury prevention center at Harvard - objectively, we can take his word that he's using proper methodologies and is an honest voice. Heck, we don't even have to take it objectively - he submits his studies for peer review, not as a self-published book, which allows others to check his work for him.

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More appeal to authority.

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Dismissing an actual authority as an appeal to authority isn't helping you here.

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That one doesn't appear to be, but other studies looking at state by state show that stricter laws lower gun deaths.

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We are discussing self-defense, are we not? But if stricter guns laws lower deaths, then Chicago should be very safe, correct?

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So an aggregation and analysis of research done by experts over time that sponsored by the uber liberal federal government isn't good enough?

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Correct. It wasn't a meta-analysis, it was a road-map for future research opportunities.

It had no opinion as to a particular study's validity or strength, and did not choose to exclude certain poor studies due to errors with methodology (see: Lott, John). It listed examples of research in every identified facet of the field of gun violence and pointed to where next steps might go.

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We are discussing self-defense, are we not? But if stricter guns laws lower deaths, then Chicago should be very safe, correct?

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InB4 Indiana is the wild west.

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Who the frick needs a 30-round magazine?

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How about this. You get law enforcement to turn in all of their 30rd mags and we can start a talk about this 30rd mag thing.

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If it's for home defense, you might want to reconsider what you're aiming at

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Again you have no idea what you are talking about. How do you know what threat a citizen will face?

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You get it after you provide what you promised

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That isn't how it works. You've been running your mouth about this for much longer, and I've been asking for this since the beginning.

You owe me a paper.

I'm patient.

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You can't win a shootout with the cops. Stop believing that you could.

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Again, the guy is in charge of the injury prevention center at Harvard - objectively, we can take his word that he's using proper methodologies and is an honest voice.

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you have to be a plant. No way this is real. “Taking someone’s word” because of their position is the opposite of objectivity. Care to quadruple down on your appeal to authority?

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Dismissing an actual authority as an appeal to authority isn't helping you here.

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Repealing the Dickey Amendment to allow for funded studys to better understand the most effective ways to reduce gun violence in the US

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This doesn't prevent the study of firearms. The Dickey amendment has never been put to the test by the CDC. The language used in the amendment says that none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control could be used to study or promote gun control. They are too afraid to challenge it.

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Universal background checks - including private sellers, with removal of shall-issue laws for delays

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What good is this going to do? Almost all mass shooters obtained their weapons legally by following the NICS system guidelines, or illegally.

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Comprehensive mandatory registration for all new purchases, in a central searchable database

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Absolutely not, this is one point we cannot agree on. Everywhere we've seen this happen we've seen a confiscation/ban follow (and you are against this right?). Not to mention that Haynes vs US is already established precedence for registration.

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Stricter penalties for straw purchasers

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100% agree with this. Straw purchasers need to be prosecuted harshly.

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Raise the age for non-hunting rifles to 21, to match handguns

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Feel good emotional appeal that does nothing to prevent crime.

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Minimum 3-day waiting period (maybe longer, not sure if there's a good break point data show as better for cooling-off periods)

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There is no statistical evidence that this has any effect at all on violence prevention. Again, this would have prevent none of the mass shootings to date.

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Passage of Red Flag laws or GVRO's

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I would like to see actual proposals on this. Because I could support it if done correctly.

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Ban on certain types of weapons overwhelmingly used in mass casualty events and little else - e.g. AR-15s

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We've already discussed this ad nauseam. There is nothing special about the AR-15 that makes it "More deadly" than any other semi-auto. This is feel-good emotional appeal.

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Ban on things like bump stocks used to circumvent existing laws limiting power and rate of fire

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Fine, ban bump stocks if it makes you feel safer. just keep in mind that the same affect can be recreated with a belt loop.