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re: Obamacaid denying more care. e.g., "If you like your doctor" . . . Too Bad !

Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:45 am to
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
44046 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:45 am to
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Many will just walk away...There's a huge cost, coming down the pipe, when you lose bodies and will.

My doctor in Louisiana, early fifties, just quit - sold his clinic and retired. This guy was fantastic - absolutely photographic memory and kept up with everything. He is the one responsible for finding my cancer early and getting me in a state for the good prognosis I now have.

I left Louisiana anyway, so have to find a new doc here in Texas, but nobody can hold a candle to this guy. It sucks for my old home town to lose such a great doctor however.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
15153 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 10:57 am to
Obamacare was never designed to help those who actually have good employment. It was meant for the people who want stuff for free.

For every person who got screwed by the old system, you have twenty on the system of people who work little and now get coverage.

How does Obamacare do this? It decreases reimbursement across the board for everyone. If you actually have a good job, well congratulations. But your medical care has likely been diminished to take care of those who are, "less fortunate than you".

So, this lady is having a tough time. But she can rejoice because her tough time is paying for the care of the meth addicted couple down the street who never worked a day in their lives.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
58294 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 11:07 am to
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So, this lady is having a tough time. But she can rejoice because her tough time is paying for the care of the meth addicted couple down the street who never worked a day in their lives.
Trickle up poverty.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
15153 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 11:12 am to
Obama views it as taking care of those less fortunate than you. But obviously that comes at a cost. And that comes at a cost to you.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
125450 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 3:41 pm to
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maddvector
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factcheck.org/2013/09/obamacare-myths/
Yep.

Folks at FactCheck.org kind of shite-the-bed on that piece, didn't they?

This post was edited on 4/18/14 at 3:44 pm
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
73169 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 4:27 pm to
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Now Margaret Figueroa is left with a chronic condition, in need of chronic treatment. She cannot access treatment with Obamacare. She cannot even get renewed prescriptions


I'm sure Sandra Fluke will knight for her. We all know how much she cares about women's health.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46631 posts
Posted on 4/18/14 at 4:29 pm to
Such a clusterfrick
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:34 am to
So it was Obama who failed to file the paperwork:

"While she had signed up for new health coverage -- because her insurance carrier dropped her old plan -- the company's internal paperwork apparently wasn't filed."


Thanks, Obama.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15249 posts
Posted on 4/19/14 at 2:47 am to
I don't understand why all doctors don't take all insurance plans. The more plans they take, the more money they make, so why not take all plans?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
125450 posts
Posted on 4/19/14 at 4:00 am to
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I don't understand why all doctors don't take all insurance plans. The more plans they take, the more money they make, so why not take all plans?
Because the plans do not reimburse at the same rate.
Often, exchange level reimbursement does not even cover costs.

E.g.,
Say customary Billable rate for a given service is $500.
Insurance companies in the traditional market negotiate and contract for a reduced rate, say $390-$450.
Meanwhile Medicare pays $250/Medicaid $180.
MD/Clinic/Facility overhead costs for the service run $240-$250.

In come the Exchanges.
So for example Aetna decides to participate in the Exchange. It determines actuarial risks given Obamacare dynamics are thru the roof at its normal $400 negotiated rate. One way to mitigate those is to simply mimic the Medicaid reimbursement schedule. Aetna is aware that providers likely would not accept $180 as a contracted rate for a $500 service. So, under auspices of "confusion during the Obamacare roll out," Aetna simply lists all its current providers as participants in the Aetna Exchange Plan. The claim is, "we did not have time to work out the details, so we just used our current ppo lists."

Unwitting customers get on the Exchange Website. They see an Aetna Plan, see the associated supposed provider network, and sign up. When they need treatment though, they find their clinic refuses to accept medicaid-level reimbursement for nonmedicaid patients. They find they've been sold the proverbial pig-in-a-poke.

It is gross misrepresentation. It is malfeasance. There should be associated civil and perhaps even criminal penalties. There will not be though.
Care to guess why?
Posted by EST
Investigating
Member since Oct 2003
17916 posts
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:25 am to
I'll bet the new Census Bureau data with "better" questions will reveal that more people have better healthcare coverage now that Obamacare is here.
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