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Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:16 pm to Mizooag94
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Exactly what I would want and expect Trump to do. Great Trump.
Sounds like another Trump hating weasel leaking to the NYT.
frick China. they have been waging a disinformation campaign since this started
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:19 pm to 14&Counting
Wait y’all are surprised our intelligence assets, the same ones that used a fake dossier to get a FISA warrant, would leave information to damage the president?
It’s high time the C_A be brought to its knees and rebuilt in a way that keeps it in check.
It’s high time the C_A be brought to its knees and rebuilt in a way that keeps it in check.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:33 pm to Cs
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current and former American officials
Brennan and Comey?
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:36 pm to NC_Tigah
Lol at “dog doctor”, like she runs a walk in clinic. She has a PhD in epidemiology focused on animal human links. You also ignore the fact that the article cites an interview with “more than half-a-dozen scientists familiar with lab accidents and how research on coronaviruses is conducted”.
You’re moving goalposts. You asked for a non CCP scientist who would say it probably didn’t come from lab accident. I gave you one (and more), and now you want proof of transmission outside a lab.
That’s the whole point of this Times article in the first place. We DON’T definitely know how it got to humans, so we’re looking. The article just points out how there’s pressure to only look for one possibility to be true.
You’re moving goalposts. You asked for a non CCP scientist who would say it probably didn’t come from lab accident. I gave you one (and more), and now you want proof of transmission outside a lab.
That’s the whole point of this Times article in the first place. We DON’T definitely know how it got to humans, so we’re looking. The article just points out how there’s pressure to only look for one possibility to be true.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:38 pm to Steadmans Cheddar
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The article just points out how there’s pressure to only look for one possibility to be true.
Trash article.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:38 pm to SSpaniel
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Got any more questions?
I guess my question would be for your proof of this theory if it’s not unsubstantiated? Why would the IC community be looking for proof if it’s already found? Reading comprehension is not hard.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:39 pm to beebefootballfan
quote:The wording they used is "some intelligence analysts." Hells bells, that terminology has such a wide catchment it could even include the NYTimes' own national security reporters.
Wait y’all are surprised our intelligence assets
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:39 pm to Cs
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:56 pm to Steadmans Cheddar
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Mazet is currently the Principal Investigator and Global Director of USAID’s PREDICT Project, which works in more than 30 countries to build capacity to develop surveillance systems and complete the necessary research to halt the next pandemic, like influenza, SARS, Ebola, and HIV.
1) USAID << DOS/CIA
2) If I were a PhD, funded to study animal to human transmissions, why would I say CV19 was anything otherwise. That's like a climate-change scientist saying the Earth is getting hotter (or colder) from the naturally occurring solar-cycles.
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Why would the IC community be looking for proof if it’s already found?
I don't know if it would categorize the relationships between our governments 3-letter agencies, Civialian, Military or otherwise as communal.
This post was edited on 4/30/20 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 4/30/20 at 3:16 pm to Steadmans Cheddar
quote:Like I said, either your dog doctor and her associates are under-read dimwits (likely), or they are they are duplicitously spinning a false narrative (possible). Outside of a libelous misquote, there is no other alternative.
the article cites an interview with “more than half-a-dozen scientists familiar with lab accidents and how research on coronaviruses is conducted”.
I have already told you China has a history of coronavirus accidents. I told you their lead virologist was worried sick about her lab being the demonstrable source. You may not know this, but several reviews found the Wuhan Labs dangerously lacking resources. When it was evident the CCP intended to forge ahead regardless, western labs donated assistance to attempt to bolster safety. It didn't work.
Fauci will eventually take a bigtime credibility hit for some of those efforts at assistance. Lab accidents happen, even in the world's top facilities. Even US P4's have had recent accidents and near misses.
So either your dog doctor and friends are ignorant as to those well-known facts, or they are lying (or they were badly misquoted by a lying reporter from whom no correction has been demanded). FACTS make this a very easy call.
Meanwhile, ONCE AGAIN, there is no natural vector in or around Wuhan outside of the labs. Supposed Wuhan Bat Soup is a bullshite CCP meme. Likewise, there are as many pangolins in your living room as there are in the Huanan Market.
You are still sticking with the CCP's propaganda that US intel would need to be pressured to investigate the only real CV19 source possibility on hand?
Posted on 4/30/20 at 3:25 pm to keks tadpole
I never said this scientist’s word should be conclusive proof. She may very well end up being wrong. It is completely possibly, maybe even likely that this came from a lab accident; I don’t know for sure, and nobody does right now.
But she is one of several scientists that have floated a similar idea, and it bears at least enough credibility that it should not be eliminated without investigation. That was the point of the article that spawned this whole thread.
Good grief, I really can’t win. “Intelligence community” is a commonly used term. I realize my post said “IC community” which is like saying PIN number, but you have a typo on “civilian”. If I said the sky was blue, you’d disagree and say it was more azure.
But she is one of several scientists that have floated a similar idea, and it bears at least enough credibility that it should not be eliminated without investigation. That was the point of the article that spawned this whole thread.
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I don't know if it would categorize the relationships between our governments 3-letter agencies, Civialian, Military or otherwise as communal.
Good grief, I really can’t win. “Intelligence community” is a commonly used term. I realize my post said “IC community” which is like saying PIN number, but you have a typo on “civilian”. If I said the sky was blue, you’d disagree and say it was more azure.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 3:28 pm to Steadmans Cheddar
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That’s the whole point of this Times article in the first place. We DON’T definitely know how it got to humans, so we’re looking. The article just points out how there’s pressure to only look for one possibility to be true.
You’re not dumb. You’re being purposefully obtuse. Drop the charade.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 3:36 pm to Steadmans Cheddar
quote:But the Times CCP bullshite article which you are defending, basically does say that.
I never said this scientist’s word should be conclusive proof
quote:So, for the fifth time, the cited "virus researchers" are either functionally ignorant, lying, or horrendously misquoted.
Virus researchers say there is virtually no chance that the new coronavirus was released as result of a laboratory accident in China or anywhere else.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 3:38 pm to NC_Tigah
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FACTS make this a very easy call
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only real CV19 source possibility on hand
You’re using facts and coming to your own conclusions.
If the idea that “accidents happen, even in the world’s top facilities happens” is true, which it likely is, couldn’t you also say you have zero clue if there were pangolins at that market? Heroin is illegal in Baton Rouge, but I bet you could find some.
Again your conclusion may be correct, but I would have more confidence in a conclusion when I know that other possibilities have been eliminated.
We won’t convince each other. You’ve made your mind up, and I’d like us to be able to review reasonable possibilities. I’ve supplied the things you’ve requested (scientists saying it wasn’t a lab accident) and you move the goalposts. You’re dug in, and that’s fine. I’ll move along.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 3:39 pm to Steadmans Cheddar
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But she is one of several scientists that have floated a similar idea, and it bears at least enough credibility that it should not be eliminated without investigation.
And not a soul can demonstrate that this isn't being considered by the IC community. In fact, the most reasonable inference is that the intel community is following up on any and all credible leads.
The allegation of pressure from the Trump administration on the intel community to conclude in a particular way regardless of where the evidence may take them is what's unsubstantiated. It's mere innuendo using unnamed sources, and speculation.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 3:45 pm to Steadmans Cheddar
It’s not matched up with pangolins genetically.
If it has pangolin genetics in it, it’s probably because it was run through pangolins for gain of function.
If it has pangolin genetics in it, it’s probably because it was run through pangolins for gain of function.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 3:55 pm to Steadmans Cheddar
quote:Negative.
couldn’t you also say you have zero clue if there were pangolins at that market?
Pangolin trade is illegal in China.
For the virus to have spread that way, the pangolin would basically have had to be butchered on site with direct blood contact in the Huanan Market ..... or it would have had to bite someone handling it .... Look up pangolin teeth. (-insertsarcasmiconhere-).
.... and there is also the tiny little pesky detail the first TWO CV19 patients had no contact whatsoever with the Wuhan Wet Market.
quote:There are degrees of "illegal".
Heroin is illegal in Baton Rouge
In China, trading heroin or the reasonable suspicion gets you a swift execution.
No one is going to butcher an illegal animal in the middle of a crowded Chinese Wet Market.
This post was edited on 4/30/20 at 4:06 pm
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