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Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 7/1/18 at 10:34 am to
We have a whole fleet up there including capital ships that rival what the rebel alliance had in Star Wars.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 2:30 pm to
Local NM station

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UFO crash site opens to public for first time in 71 years

The crash site, which is about 75 miles away from Roswell, is one of the most sought-after locations in New Mexico.


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KOAT Updated: 10:41 PM MDT Jul 5, 2018


Vid at site
Ariel shot at 1:10 into the vid. Pretty impressive crater for a weather balloon to have caused or nestled in...
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 2:34 pm to
Weird stuff

Hail hydra...


Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 2:38 pm to
FBI Records Vault









Just sayin (reference this thread before calling me crazy)...
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Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 2:48 pm to
local Fox affiliate

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Space Force operating secretly since 1960s, says UFO researcher

Posted: Jul 03, 2018 12:48 PM CDT
Updated: Jul 03, 2018 12:48 PM CDT


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Greer said: “In a sense what he's calling for is acknowledging something that has existed in an unacknowledged special access project -- black project -- that has been operational in one form or another since the mid- to late ‘60s.”

He continued: “I have a man who is a very top secret technology management office whistleblower from the Pentagon who has acknowledged to me that we have operational systems on satellites in space that can track and target and destroy any object in space -- and those have been fully operational for many years.”

Greer’s efforts to gain disclosure about this secretive topic can be explored on the Web page siriusdisclosure.com, on a similar page on youtube – and by watching the documentary “Unacknowledged” on Netflix, Amazon or YouTube.

Greer doesn’t fault Trump for not knowing about secretive projects conducted for more than 50 years – referring to the White House as a bubble into which information or disinformation is funneled.

“This is what we've discovered is the unacknowledged extra access projects are run off the books in an extra-constitutional way, and the leaders in Congress and in the presidency rarely have full access -- never mind control -- over those projects. This is something that needs correcting as soon as possible.”
Posted by LSUvegasbombed
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 4:17 pm to
TPA... never clicked on this thread but hell yea!!
Posted by shinerfan
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:04 pm to
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ThinePreparedAni




What do you know about that '70s era "Weather Weapons" treaty? There's not a lot of info on the more reputable side of the internet. There's plenty on the crazy side. But was it trying to address satellite weapons or more mundane means of creating drought and famine? That mountain collapse in NK last year really brought this to mind.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:10 pm to
Posted by DawgfaninCa
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 6:40 pm to
As I have said many times, the Cosmos is more incredible than human beings are even capable of imagining.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:05 pm to
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Swamp gas that reflected off a cloud. Nothing more.


No doubt you are not aware of the fact that it was J. Allen Hynek, an astronomer hired by the US Government to debunk all UFO sightings, who made the statement about some UFOs being just swamp gas.

However, after investigating hundreds of UFO sightings, Hynek changed his mind and became one of the leading scientists claiming that some UFOs are real and not from this planet.



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In response to numerous reports of "flying saucers", the United States Air Force established Project Sign in 1948 to examine sightings of unidentified flying objects. Hynek was contacted to act as a scientific consultant to Project Sign. He studied UFO reports and decided whether the phenomena described therein suggested known astronomical objects.
When Project Sign hired Hynek, he was skeptical of UFO reports. Hynek suspected that they were made by unreliable witnesses, or by persons who had misidentified man-made or natural objects. In 1948, Hynek said that "the whole subject seems utterly ridiculous," and described it as a fad that would soon pass.
For the first few years of his UFO studies, Hynek could safely be described as a debunker. He thought that a great many UFOs could be explained as prosaic phenomena misidentified by an observer. In his 1977 book, Hynek admitted that he enjoyed his role as a debunker for the Air Force. He also noted that debunking was what the Air Force expected of him.

Change of opinion

Hynek's opinions about UFOs began a slow and gradual shift. After examining hundreds of UFO reports over the decades (including some made by credible witnesses, including astronomers, pilots, police officers, and military personnel), Hynek concluded that some reports represented genuine empirical evidence.


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In 1953, Hynek was an associate member of the Robertson Panel, which concluded that there was nothing anomalous about UFOs, and that a public relations campaign should be undertaken to debunk the subject and reduce public interest. Hynek would later lament that the Robertson Panel had helped make UFOs a disreputable field of study.
When the UFO reports continued at a steady pace, Hynek devoted some time to studying the reports and determined that some were deeply puzzling, even after considerable study. He once said, "As a scientist I must be mindful of the lessons of the past; all too often it has happened that matters of great value to science were overlooked because the new phenomenon did not fit the accepted scientific outlook of the time."
In a 1985 interview, when asked what caused his change of opinion, Hynek responded, "Two things, really. One was the completely negative and unyielding attitude of the Air Force. They wouldn't give UFOs the chance of existing, even if they were flying up and down the street in broad daylight. Everything had to have an explanation. I began to resent that, even though I basically felt the same way, because I still thought they weren't going about it in the right way. You can't assume that everything is black no matter what. Secondly, the caliber of the witnesses began to trouble me. Quite a few instances were reported by military pilots, for example, and I knew them to be fairly well-trained, so this is when I first began to think that, well, maybe there was something to all this."

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Posted by TexasTiger80
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:16 pm to
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Despite diligent, time-consuming efforts by institutions across the planet, human beings have yet to find any universally-accepted proof of extraterrestial life. For many, this is a simple function of the math involved -- the universe is just too large for us to plausibly meet creatures from another planet. But according to several fringe researchers, we're just looking in the wrong place. We should focus, they argue, not on life from other planets... but on life from other dimensions. Listen in to learn more about the strange story of the Ultraterrestrial theory.


They have known about extra dimensions and demons/spirits/"aliens", whatever you want to call them, for thousands of years. It's all down the rabbit hole...
Posted by TexasTiger80
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:30 pm to
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If you worship Aliens instead of God, it is probably easy to justify eating and fricking kids.


They don't worship aliens, but you are close.
Posted by TexasTiger80
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:00 pm to
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Greer said: “In a sense what he's calling for is acknowledging something that has existed in an unacknowledged special access project -- black project -- that has been operational in one form or another since the mid- to late ‘60s.”


Ah yes...Steven Greer and the Disclosure Project.
This post was edited on 7/6/18 at 8:02 pm
Posted by Brosef Stalin
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 9:10 pm to
Tesla claimed he could create and steer hurricanes. He also claimed he could create small targeted earthquakes. There are reports of his building shaking and people calling the cops because they knew crazy old Tesla was working on something.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 7/12/18 at 3:18 pm to
Regarding "alternative" propulsion systems...
Nature...


https://www.forbes.com/sites/bridaineparnell/2018/07/06/spiders-feel-the-electricity-in-the-air-and-use-it-to-fly/#2cd092673e69

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Spiders Feel The Electricity In The Air - And Use It To Fly

Brid-Aine Parnell
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Jul 6, 2018, 04:59am 3,131 views #WhoaScience


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Spiders use global electrical fields to fly hundreds of miles without wings, according to new research.

The mystery of how wingless arachnids can go airborne for miles and miles has intrigued scientists for decades. Even Charles Darwin mused with delight on the topic when he saw hundreds of tiny spiders alight on the HMS Beagle as the ship was on its way to Buenos Aires.

Many scientists have suggested that spiders might achieve their aerial acrobatics by “ballooning” – spinning trails of silk that are caught on the wind to bear them aloft.

But spiders have been observed taking off when there is no wind at all, when it’s raining and when the sky is overcast. In the absence of wind, researchers have conjecture that perhaps spiders are riding on electrical currents in the atmosphere and a new study led by Bristol University backs this up.




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The Atmospheric Potential Gradient (APG) is a global electric circuit that is always present in the atmosphere and insects have already been shown to use it. Bees, for example, can use their charge to communicate with their hive and bumblebees can detect the electric field (e-field) imparted by the APG to flowers.

In their lab, the researchers exposed spiders to controlled e-fields equivalent to atmospheric ones and by the simple experiment of switching them on and off, observed that spiders were using them to fly in the absence of wind.

“Previously, drag forces from wind or thermals were thought responsible for this mode of dispersal, but we show that electric fields, at strengths found in the atmosphere, can trigger ballooning and provide lift in the absence of any air movement. This means that electric fields as well as drag could provide the forces needed for spider ballooning dispersal in nature,” said Morley.

Spiders aren’t the only wingless insects that fly. Both caterpillars and spider-mites use aerial dispersal as a crucial biological process as well, making understanding that process important for understanding population dynamics, species distribution and ecological resilience.

“The next step will involve looking to see whether other animals also detect and use electric fields in ballooning.


vice

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Spiders Can Fly Thousands of Miles With Electric Power
For the first time, scientists have empirically verified electricity’s role in the ballooning abilities of spiders.


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In the last decade, doubts about the wind power explanation for arachnid flight have mounted alongside observations of spiders ballooning when winds are not strong enough to lift them even a few feet, let alone for thousands of miles. The animals can also reach high altitudes—sometimes five kilometers (three miles) above Earth’s surface—which would be difficult to accomplish with thermal air currents alone.




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Morley and her team placed Linyphiid spiders in a lab-controlled electric field with charges similar to Earth’s atmosphere, so the group could directly observe the impact of electricity on arachnid flight. The spiders ascended into the air when electric fields were present, and descended when the team turned them off, demonstrating a clear correlation between electrostatic forces and ballooning ability.


Vid about the phenomenon

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Turns Out, Spiders Use Electricity to Fly
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YouTube

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Bumble Bees, Levitation and Earth's Magnetic Grid.
50,255 views





Posted by beerJeep
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Posted on 7/12/18 at 3:39 pm to
Smoked a bowl just to watch your video.
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 7/20/18 at 5:41 pm to
Controversy over Atacama 'alien' deepens: Follow-up to study on 6-inch Chilean mummy uncovers faulty methods and ethical concerns, finding it was a NORMAL human fetus and 'reflects a sad loss for a mother'

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Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 7/27/18 at 10:19 pm to
This sounds insane, but it is actually very consistent

Just pointing out that this theme again recurs (paranormal theory of everything)
This thread has listed folks who believe this to be the case


Personally, I think we are dealing with extradimensional forces (ultraterrestrials)

Newsweek

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https://www.newsweek.com/pentagon-ufo-program-disclosure-aliens-poltergeist-top-secret-bigelow-948051


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PENTAGON’S SECRET UFO PROGRAM INVESTIGATED POLTERGEIST CONNECTION TO ALIEN MYSTERY
BY ANDREW WHALEN
ON 5/29/18 AT 2:07 PM


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The investigative “I-Team” for CBS affiliate KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, NV has brought forward new documents related to the secret Pentagon UFO program first revealed by the New York Times in December. But even stranger than the documents, which delved into theoretical warp drive and extra-dimensional technologies, was the response provided to KLAS-TV by an unnamed “senior manager” within the program, who connected the Pentagon’s UFO program to poltergeists, “invisible entities” and “bizarre creatures.”

The new statement from BAASS (Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies) to KLAS-TV indicates the team contracted by the Pentagon delved into phenomena far beyond the UFO purview indicated in the NYT’s original reveal, in some ways continuing the paranormal research begun by founder Richard Bigelow in the 90s.


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“The investigations by BAASS provided new lines of evidence showing that the UFO phenomenon was a lot more than nuts and bolts machines that interacted with military aircraft,” the senior manager said. “The phenomenon also involved a whole panoply of diverse activity that included bizarre creatures, poltergeist activity, invisible entities, orbs of light, animal and human injuries and much more.”


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BAASS, created specifically for the Pentagon contract, conducted research both from Bigelow Aerospace headquarters in North Las Vegas and an infamous Utah ranch, formerly owned by Robert Bigelow (ownership has since transferred to Adamantium Real Estate, who manages the property on behalf of an anonymous owner). Commonly known as Skinwalker Ranch, the 480-acre property has been the site of reported cattle mutilations, UFO sightings and “large, ferocious animals with piercing yellow eyes” that bullets couldn’t injure. From 1996 to 2004, Bigelow investigated paranormal phenomena at and around the ranch under the umbrella of his now defunct research group, the National Institute for Discovery Science.


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Same author/outlet, different tone...

Newsweek

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CHRISTIAN RIGHT RADIO NETWORK PROMOTES ‘DEMONIC VIRTUAL REALITY’ BIGFOOT AND UFO CONSPIRACY THEORY
BY ANDREW WHALEN
ON 7/24/18 AT 5:59 PM


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Tim Dailey, anti-gay marriage activist and former Senior Fellow for lobbying group the Family Research Council, described bigfoot as a “demonic virtual reality” projection in a radio interview. Described by Jared Holt of Right Wing Watch, Dailey proposed a radical conspiracy theory for both bigfoot and the UFO phenomena.


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“The paranormal conspiracy seeks to subvert and ultimately transform the rational view of the world through mysterious entities that thrive on instability, confusion and fear,” Dailey said. “A demonic virtual reality is taking place.”


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For Dailey, bigfoot isn’t biological, but part of a larger complex of paranormal activity, including UFO sightings and alien abduction. Together they form a syncretic conspiracy theory with the Biblical devil at the epicenter, instead of conspiracist standbys like the Illuminati, lizard people or antisemitism.


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Mefferd brought up an anecdote from Dailey’s book, in which a woman encountered a bigfoot at night and tried to shoot it, but the animal vanished. “That’s one of many stories, but you know, bigfoot and UFO researchers are loath to admit that, because they’re tied into the nuts and bolts, three-dimensional existence of these creatures,” Dailey said. “They’re not open really to a spiritual explanation, because then you’d have to discuss the reality of evil.”
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 7/27/18 at 11:14 pm to
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Just sayin (reference this thread before calling me crazy).
You're loony.
Posted by LSUvet72
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Posted on 7/27/18 at 11:24 pm to
I’m afraid of the greys......


Won’t be able to sleep tonite......



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