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Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:20 pm to
With our expertise a standardized Nuclear plant system would greatly help cost. You don’t want 55 different plants with original design.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:26 pm to
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What many fail to see and don’t want to is that Trump is better at business than most thought


I see exactly the opposite.

What I see—that many don't want to—is that for all Trump's business experience he has strange blindspots and these tariffs are one of them.

It's not difficult to understand what tariffs do (if you're willing to).

And it's not reasonable to think that just because he's Trump, his tariffs will somehow be magically different.

It's just magical thinking.

If the only candidate in 2016 advocating for tariffs had been Bernie Sanders instead of both Sanders and Trump advocating for them, every single one of you would be crapping on them. None of you would be thinking they were some kind of 16D chess move, you'd the thinking (and saying) that they were left wing moonbattery.

But guess what? Tariffs work the same way and have the same results whether Sanders passes them or Trump. It's not like if Sanders had passed them the results would be different.

I think Trump loves them simply because he gets to "negotiate" and prove he has mastered the "art of the deal." And they don't involve anyone but him.
This post was edited on 10/20/25 at 3:29 pm
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:45 pm to
Such BS!

Get over it. Everybody else has. No prices are going through the roof. The deficit gap closed...etc


Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:51 pm to
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I see exactly the opposite.


That seems impossible to me. On a spectrum of great business man and the exact opposite, you didn't land anywhere in the middle for a guy who has literally dominated business for 50 years? Not even the guy who literally everyone that deals with respects the absolute frick out of his deal making acumen?

Am I speaking to Warren Buffet right now, or just some shmuck who has no fricking idea?

Sorry for the cursing. The AWS outage has fricked my day up so I'm less patient with stupidity than usual.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 4:22 pm to
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They worked in his first term.


At what cost?

Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 4:26 pm to
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At what cost?

The economy boomed. Trump is given credit for his first term economic policies even by leftists such as Matthew Yglesias, who thinks Trump is a one-trick pony whose trick happened to be just right at that particular time. I don’t know what to tell you, Roger. If you don’t accept that then you officially have TDS.
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 4:28 pm to
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you officially have TDS.


His diagnosis is old. His recovery is ongoing.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 4:29 pm to
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The economy boomed.


On lots of debt, and even then the economy was dragging in 2019.

Its estimated the tariffs slowed growth, not hastened it. Trumps 800k per washing machine factory job isnt what I call economic growth.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 4:29 pm to
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Taiwan is going to scramble trying to figure out how to maintain our protection

Spend the next 20 years moving Taiwan industry, scientists, academics, engineers, investors, and high net worth citizens to the US.

Then tell China they can have the place.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 4:32 pm to
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On lots of debt, and even then the economy was dragging in 2019.

Its estimated the tariffs slowed growth, not hastened it. Trumps 800k per washing machine factory job isnt what I call economic growth.


I assume it goes without saying, but you don't have the credibility to say this without some factual backing. And I don't mean your brand of "if you can't see it I can't help you" proof. I mean the assumption is you're making shite up without sources until you can prove you're not someone who will say anything to appear "correct."
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297946 posts
Posted on 10/20/25 at 4:36 pm to
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I assume it goes without saying, but you don't have the credibility to say this without some factual backing


Ive posted the links here probably a dozen times and they get downvoted, and people call me names. I dont know if its stupidity, or cult behavior.

Its worthless to do. You folks will believe what you chooser to believe.

Washing machine jobs

Tariffs cost 1.4B per month

I hae a lot more links that y'all will not read, or you will dismiss because it wasnt one of your influencers, if you like.

quote:

A new study finds the Trump administration’s trade policies and tariffs reduced U.S. income at a rate of $1.4 billion per month by November.
The Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Princeton and Columbia conservatively estimate that U.S. tariffs cost American consumers at least $6.9 billion last year.
“Tariffs were almost completely passed through into U.S. domestic prices, so that the entire incidence of the tariffs fell on domestic consumers,” the paper finds.
This post was edited on 10/20/25 at 4:38 pm
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 4:39 pm to
I've seen your reposting of that one washing machine article. I can't imagine you consider that the root cause of all tariff evils even though it's apparently your silver bullet, as you've admitted.
This post was edited on 10/20/25 at 4:40 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297946 posts
Posted on 10/20/25 at 4:41 pm to
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. I can't imagine you consider that the root cause of all tariff evils even though it's apparently your silver bullet, as you've admitted.


No, its the normal drag on economy tariffs cost, and did cost during this period.

We subsidize these new jobs, leaning on the working class, these tariffs are simply wage/wealth redistribution.
This post was edited on 10/20/25 at 4:42 pm
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
69165 posts
Posted on 10/20/25 at 4:45 pm to
We're talking about the difference between objective failure of an agenda vs mistakes along the way. Some of us are speaking big picture, and you prefer to talk about washing machines.

Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 4:47 pm to
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Your post was incorrect. This has nothing to do with tariffs.


Trumps tariffs are the best!!! MAGA!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297946 posts
Posted on 10/20/25 at 4:57 pm to
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We're talking about the difference between objective failure of an agenda vs mistakes along the way.


Yes, the tariffs created jobs, it also lost more than it created.

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Economy-wide, Oxford Economics estimated in 2021 that the tariffs and resulting trade war cost 245,000 jobs and 0.5% of GDP while reducing real incomes by $675 per


LINK

Tariffs "work" if you want to protect certain companies or industries, but they come at a loss to someone else.
This post was edited on 10/20/25 at 4:58 pm
Posted by goatmilker
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 4:58 pm to
What’s happening in 25 compared to those 21 numbers?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297946 posts
Posted on 10/20/25 at 5:04 pm to
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What’s happening in 25 compared to those 21 numbers?


Which numbers?
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/20/25 at 5:09 pm to
Economy wide…
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
38063 posts
Posted on 10/20/25 at 5:10 pm to
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TMSC needs to move all major chip production out of Taiwan as a national security measure


Why would remove the reason the US is willing to protect you?
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