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Nungesser - who wants to be next LA governor - is not a fan of diversions
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:05 pm
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Article goes on to say that people are saying Billy is making a bunch of threats, meanwhile, Billy is saying that others are making a bunch of threats.
Pretty much all of the politicians in Plaquemines and St. Bernard oppose the diversions. It won't "destroy" the seafood industry but it will absolutely make it more difficult - the CPRA people admit that. It will return fisheries to where there were decades ago - meaning the fisheries will be pushed further out. There's a cost to that.
The people of St. Bernard and Plaquemines are basically being asked to sacrifice in order to save the rest of the state. Deep down... I think the people of both parishes know that doing nothing will eventually destroy both parishes - along with other areas. But doing diversions saves other places and doesn't really help those two parishes. So... there is really no reason for them to support this.
And unfortunately, rather than bring reasoned, intelligent discussion to this issue, Billy and the rest of the politicians down here just scream and yell and push rumors.
It's like the container port project in St. Bernard. The locals don't see what is positive specifically to them... and people are pushing the negative aspects of it on a constant drumbeat.
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For months, Lt. Gov. Billy Nungesser has argued to just about anyone who will listen that the signature project in Louisiana’s ambitious plan to restore its coast -- a massive, novel sediment diversion aimed at rebuilding wetlands -- is a “fraud.”
In recent weeks, his dislike for the project has taken on the feel of a crusade, one that has rankled powerful fellow Republicans and involved accusations of strong-arm tactics.
Nungesser, a Republican widely expected to run for governor in 2023, is perhaps the leading detractor of the Mid-Barataria Sediment Diversion, a $2 billion-plus project that would essentially punch a hole in the Mississippi River levee along the west bank of Plaquemines Parish to divert some of its sediment-rich water to the Barataria basin. The basin has withered away over the years as a result of levees, oil and gas development and sea-level rise, among other things.
Article goes on to say that people are saying Billy is making a bunch of threats, meanwhile, Billy is saying that others are making a bunch of threats.
Pretty much all of the politicians in Plaquemines and St. Bernard oppose the diversions. It won't "destroy" the seafood industry but it will absolutely make it more difficult - the CPRA people admit that. It will return fisheries to where there were decades ago - meaning the fisheries will be pushed further out. There's a cost to that.
The people of St. Bernard and Plaquemines are basically being asked to sacrifice in order to save the rest of the state. Deep down... I think the people of both parishes know that doing nothing will eventually destroy both parishes - along with other areas. But doing diversions saves other places and doesn't really help those two parishes. So... there is really no reason for them to support this.
And unfortunately, rather than bring reasoned, intelligent discussion to this issue, Billy and the rest of the politicians down here just scream and yell and push rumors.
It's like the container port project in St. Bernard. The locals don't see what is positive specifically to them... and people are pushing the negative aspects of it on a constant drumbeat.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:06 pm to LSUFanHouston
The oystermen down there wield a lot of political clout.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:08 pm to Y.A. Tittle
None of them have the clout to stop the diversions. The diversions benefit a ton of areas, and the only argument against it from St. Bernard and Plaquemines is we’ll have to go further to fish.
They’re going to happen.
They’re going to happen.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:13 pm to Swagga
Oh, I'm not vouching for their position, I'm just explaining why they are a bug in Pinky's ear getting him to say what he is.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:17 pm to Swagga
The saddest art is that after decades of projects and studies there is still a debate on if diversions or direct land building is the better way to go. Govt sucks arse. The bigger it is the more it sucks.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:19 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Oh, I'm not vouching for their position, I'm just explaining why they are a bug in Pinky's ear getting him to say what he is.
Right. The locals closest to him - the people he used to represent as parish president - are all against this.
But now he is supposed to represent all the state's citizens... many more of whom support this.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:20 pm to LSUFanHouston
I'm not vouching for Pinky either, of course.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:24 pm to LSUFanHouston
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The basin has withered away over the years as a result of levees.....
OK, I can buy that.
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.....oil and gas development and sea-level rise, among other things.
Nope, that's a bunch of horseshite.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:28 pm to Bearcat90
The diversions they have done have worked. How anyone in Louisiana could fight against restoring the wetlands that is rapidly disappearing is beyond me.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:29 pm to omegaman66
quote:debate amongst whom?
The saddest art is that after decades of projects and studies there is still a debate on if diversions or direct land building is the better way to go. Govt sucks arse. The bigger it is the more it sucks
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:33 pm to saints5021
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The diversions they have done have worked. How anyone in Louisiana could fight against restoring the wetlands that is rapidly disappearing is beyond me.
Where in my statement did you see that?
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The basin has withered away over the years as a result of levees.....
OK, I can buy that.
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.....oil and gas development and sea-level rise, among other things.
Nope, that's a bunch of horseshite.
Not buying the global warming bullshite as the cause. Was ENTIRELY because of the US Corp of Engineers projects, i.e. the "levees".
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:39 pm to LSUFanHouston
How long will it take for the diversions to rebuild the subsided land?
If it takes 50 to 100 years (or longer) is it really worth it ?
I was told by a geologist that the Miss. R. does not carry much sediment as it did in the past because of the locks on the upper portion of the Miss. R. and on the Arkansas R. .
Is that true?
If it takes 50 to 100 years (or longer) is it really worth it ?
I was told by a geologist that the Miss. R. does not carry much sediment as it did in the past because of the locks on the upper portion of the Miss. R. and on the Arkansas R. .
Is that true?
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:41 pm to Bearcat90
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quote: .....oil and gas development and sea-level rise, among other things. Nope, that's a bunch of horseshite.
There’s no question that the canals and dredging all through the marsh had a huge impact on them receding. So oil and gas development did play a big part in this.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:45 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Nungesser
He’s a fricking tool.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:55 pm to LSUFanHouston
Apparently Billy took a shot at Garret "coastal" Graves' support of diversions. Garret's response is money:
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“The bad news is that both the palm reader and astrologer in Jackson Square confirmed Billy’s suspicions,” Graves said. “The good news is that Louisiana’s and the nation’s best coastal scientists and engineers have verified through computer models and actual projects that we are right. The stars just aren’t aligned for him right now.”
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:05 pm to SantaFe
There is a rock ledge at the "Old Bridge" in Baton Rouge which stops the sand from coming down. That sand has backed up beyond the Old River control structure.
Frenchman's cut on the east bank proves them wrong.
Frenchman's cut on the east bank proves them wrong.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:05 pm to crewdepoo
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debate amongst whom?
Lots of players involved. Nungesser, many politicians, geologist, coe. They have not all agreed on anything.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:08 pm to LSUFanHouston
Billy doesn't care what he's for or against.
The people down in Plaquemines Parish with money are against the Barataria Diversion so Billy is.
The people down in Plaquemines Parish with money are against the Barataria Diversion so Billy is.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:08 pm to Cajun Tigah
Not nearly as big as levees. Also, intracoastal did more for saltwater intrusion.
The clam shell dredging just off the coast messed things up as well. There were a series of ancient reefs which are now gone. they helped dampen storm surges and everyday surf.
The clam shell dredging just off the coast messed things up as well. There were a series of ancient reefs which are now gone. they helped dampen storm surges and everyday surf.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:09 pm to Y.A. Tittle
A dying marsh produces more shrimp due more decaying matter for larvae to feed on.
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