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re: Note to self: Don't mess with Bill Ackman
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:29 am to Taxing Authority
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:29 am to Taxing Authority
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honest journalism
No such thing anymore and never will be.
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Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:32 am to stout
quote:Yep!
Note to self: Don't mess with Bill Ackman
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and if you do mess with Ackman, don't have idiots like Katherine Long and Jack Newsham of BI taking the shots.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:34 am to POTUS2024
quote:In this case some of it may be overblown, but some of it is an outright Business Insider lie.
Some of this plagiarism stuff is overblown
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:40 am to NC_Tigah
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In this case some of it may be overblown, but some of it is an outright Business Insider lie.
Well if they did lie I suspect Ackman will be their new boss for the 10 seconds it takes following an embarrassing libel lawsuit for him to stop smiling long enough to fire the authors.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:41 am to tide06
quote:There is no "if"
Well if they did lie
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:51 am to POTUS2024
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I suspect this is going to spawn a vicious cycle and there's about to be around 1 million faculty members and high profile people around the world accused of plagiarism. My guess is that the majority of those instances are failure to cite, particularly in older documents that were made prior to citation software and so forth.
Plagiarism is the ultimate crime in academia.
A colleague in my department was even recently accused of and brought before the Provost for self-plagiarizing—failing to sufficiently cite his own previously published work in a subsequent article.
Regardless of how rampant plagiarism may be, there isn’t a single professor/researcher who doesn’t know the risk s/he runs by engaging in academic fraud. This cloak of faux innocence donned by people such as Claudine Gay is laughable.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:54 am to GoblinGuide
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Bill Ackerman
Who is that?
How do we know that Wikipedia didn’t use Ackman’s wife dissertation as a source for the article?
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:54 am to EKG
quote:FIFY.
Plagiarism was the ultimate crime in academia.
If we've learned anything in recent years, it's that the establishment will change the rules and blow up well established norms to protect and/or advance their interests. Just look at all the formerly 'respected' institutions bending over to protect Gay. In most cases they aren't even denying the accusations, they're just moving the goal posts.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:54 am to EKG
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Plagiarism is the ultimate crime in academia
This.
And the fact the Progressive Left/Woke/DEI acolytes are attempting to downplay it to protect their supporters in the ivory towers of universities is fascinating.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:09 am to bbvdd
quote:quote:
Bill Ackerman
Who is that?
Billionaire hedge fund whisperer.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:13 am to Bunk Moreland
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Powerful Jews versus wokesters
Consider me "Team Jews for Jesus". They are certainly doing the Lord's work!
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:13 am to EKG
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A colleague in my department was even recently accused of and brought before the Provost for self-plagiarizing—failing to sufficiently cite his own previously published work in a subsequent article.
By the time I got my second masters degree, Turnitin (plagiarism software) was a thing. It red-flagged some of my research and the source was my own previous work (same topic/subject, but different angles - the second was a legal analysis of a previous business case). I went to great lengths to coordinate with the professor on whether I needed to self-cite or if my blanket disclosure to him was sufficient. And while I spoke to him in person about it, I made sure I got a definitive answer via email so I'd have documentation should an issue arise in the future.
More recently, I was plagiarized by a former classmate/colleague and, to be honest, it pissed me off. The guy is brilliant, but lazy - fully capable of producing his own shite, but would rather someone else do the work instead. He was on a fairly popular podcast and recited some of my original work, playing it off as his own thoughts. He didn't just summarize ideas/concepts either; it was as if he memorized it verbatim and recited it like a script.
That worthless POS has 4 degrees, all from top tier institutions, and probably didn't earn a single one of them himself.
Socrates said "Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for."
There is no shame in using someone else's work. In fact, it's wise to do so. Just don't be a dishonest frick and pretend it's your own.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:17 am to Longhorn Actual
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There is no shame in using someone else's work. In fact, it's wise to do so. Just don't be a dishonest frick and pretend it's your own.
I counsel my students on the reg … feel free to use someone else’s intellectual property; just make damn sure to slap a citation on that sucker.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:18 am to GoblinGuide
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Did he give the Harvard prez time to respond before going forward with his claims?
Yes
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exact same thing that he claimed Harvard's president did
Not at all the same thing! He cited dozens of examples from other people's research, not a bunch of Wiki BS that may or may not have been published after her 15 year old dissertation
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:38 am to POTUS2024
quote:
Some of this plagiarism stuff is overblown -
Not when a crazy leftists English professor can hold you and your degree hostage over it.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:58 am to EKG
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Billionaire hedge fund whisperer.
That’s Bill Ackman.
I don’t know who Bill Ackerman is.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:01 am to GoblinGuide
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Just so I'm understanding here, Bill Ackerman is mad that BI is claiming that his wife committed plagiarism. The exact same thing that he claimed Harvard's president did
I think it more has to do with citing Wikipedia which really isn’t even “citeable”
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:21 am to Longhorn Actual
quote:
By the time I got my second masters degree, Turnitin (plagiarism software) was a thing. It red-flagged some of my research and the source was my own previous work (same topic/subject, but different angles - the second was a legal analysis of a previous business case). I went to great lengths to coordinate with the professor on whether I needed to self-cite or if my blanket disclosure to him was sufficient. And while I spoke to him in person about it, I made sure I got a definitive answer via email so I'd have documentation should an issue arise in the future.
More recently, I was plagiarized by a former classmate/colleague and, to be honest, it pissed me off. The guy is brilliant, but lazy - fully capable of producing his own shite, but would rather someone else do the work instead. He was on a fairly popular podcast and recited some of my original work, playing it off as his own thoughts. He didn't just summarize ideas/concepts either; it was as if he memorized it verbatim and recited it like a script.
That worthless POS has 4 degrees, all from top tier institutions, and probably didn't earn a single one of them himself.
Socrates said "Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for."
There is no shame in using someone else's work. In fact, it's wise to do so. Just don't be a dishonest frick and pretend it's your own.
Well...out his arse.
It's about to be all the rage.
You better get in now, while plagiarism is still unacceptable, because my prediction is that every professor and academic in the country is going to start getting audited and most of them older than a certain age will fail the audit.
And the end result is that they're going to have to start allowing plagiarism. Or at least "de-criminalize" it.
Watch and see...
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:23 am to coolpapaboze
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If we've learned anything in recent years, it's that the establishment will change the rules and blow up well established norms to protect and/or advance their interests. Just look at all the formerly 'respected' institutions bending over to protect Gay. In most cases they aren't even denying the accusations, they're just moving the goal posts.
This, and as more academics get audited and fail the audits (which they will if they are over a certain age, at least), the goal posts will move farther and farther.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:26 am to GoblinGuide
quote:Ackman
Bill Ackerman
quote:His wife did not plagiarize ANYTHING as far as I can tell. Everything BI claims she plagiarized, she VERY CLEARLY cited.
And he's mad that they didn't give him and his wife time to respond before publishing?
TTBOMK, where she was accused, Gay didn't cite a damn thing ... nothing ... no footnotes, no endnotes, no parenthetical citations.
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