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Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:42 pm to troyt37
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If I may. Because until squishy middle moderate republicans recognize that their only way forward is to oppose the marxist democrat agenda at every single opportunity, republicans and conservatives alike might as well switch parties or resign.
The wailing and gnashing of teeth among supposed republicans, ostensibly conservatives, was sickening. Gaetz finally does something to further the conservative cause in the legislature, and supposed conservatives are dogging his arse mercilessly.
The people shitting on Gaetz are the problem with the republican party, regardless of the outcome. Until those people get their shite together and realize we at war for the very soul and existence of this country, we cannot win this war.
You may, though I'm not sure why you felt the need to include me it seems.
I was all for tossing McCarthy, but if the only plan was "NOT HIM" then I guess I'm in favor of a TAD bit more planning than that, because while getting rid of McCarthy was great, without having at least a few ducks in a row, then this feel more like a miracle than a legit outcome based on actions taken.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:43 pm to Indefatigable
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Dysfunction gains no one anything.
That’s only true if you would rather have Kevin McCarthy than Mike Johnson in the Speaker’s chair in this case, isn’t it?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The problem is, if I'm right, me being right (aka, DEMs winning the House in 2024)
If fear of losing to Democrats means we have to cater to Democrats, then, what difference does it make?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:44 pm to David_DJS
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Is Johnson a fund Ukraine advocate?
No...Billy Kristol was crying about him on Twitter earlier.
It was glorious, and it was the most obvious indication Johnson was an acceptable choice.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:44 pm to Indefatigable
quote:Its the same song.
The money will unequivocally eventually be spent. Dysfunction gains no one anything.
At best we get a temporary shutdown—that drives the moderates nuts.
Then, republicans cave—that drives the conservatives nuts. In the end, republicans lose both constituencies… and the spending alcarries on as normal.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:45 pm to David_DJS
quote:How many votes does he get?
Is Johnson a fund Ukraine advocate?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:47 pm to Billions
quote:It was democrats and 8 republicans thst removed McCarthy… so
If fear of losing to Democrats means we have to cater to Democrats, then, what difference does it make?
With the republicans split, the democrats still determine what gets passed by the house. No matter who is speaker.
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:49 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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You may, though I'm not sure why you felt the need to include me it seems.
You're only included if you fit the description.
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I was all for tossing McCarthy, but if the only plan was "NOT HIM" then I guess I'm in favor of a TAD bit more planning than that, because while getting rid of McCarthy was great, without having at least a few ducks in a row, then this feel more like a miracle than a legit outcome based on actions taken.
It's not possible for a relatively small faction of the republican party to plan to that extent. The outcome based on actions taken was removing KM from the Speaker's chair. For conservatives, you really couldn't do much worse than KM for speaker. I've said before, ditching KM was the right thing to do, regardless of the outcome.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:49 pm to GumboPot
quote:Please tell me you're just being funny. There's no way you're so delusional that you believe the Republicans mapped out this process from the beginning:
This is the plan.
"Let's kick out our speaker, muddle around for a couple of weeks turning ourselves and our party into a standing joke and punchline to the point of even alienating our own party member voters and then after voting down several of our senior leaders as Speaker, we'll elect as Speaker an unknown representative from rural Louisiana who literally the rest of the country has never heard of."
THAT'S what you claim the Republicans planned from the start?!?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:50 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:And now, those same Democrats are acting as if the new speaker is Satan incarnate.
It was democrats and 8 republicans thst removed McCarthy… so
Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:54 pm to Billions
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And now, those same Democrats are acting as if the new speaker is Satan incarnate.
Which tells you that a damn miracle has happened, and the republicans did something right for a change.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:56 pm to Indefatigable
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The GOP gained nothing from this.
And that right there sums up everything wrong with our politics.
Party above all else!
Completely ridiculous.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:56 pm to troyt37
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That’s only true if you would rather have Kevin McCarthy than Mike Johnson in the Speaker’s chair in this case, isn’t it?
It would also be true if one believed that the small size of the GOP majority was the driver in House decision-making and NOT who the speaker is....wouldn't it?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:00 pm to Cosmo
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Im saying the people who said this was chaos were babies
Actually what you said was:
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In fact its probably better
If it's better without a speaker, you're disappointed there's a speaker now, right?
Or was that just more bullshite to rationalize the clusterfrick going on the majority Republican House? I see that a lot on this board.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:05 pm to LSURussian
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There's no way you're so delusional that you believe the Republicans mapped out this process from the beginning:
The overarching object was to get to single subject appropriation bills. This was no secret. Gaetz has been screaming form the roof tops about this one issue. That is why I posted Mike Johnson's position on this issue in the OP.
The plan in January was for the new Speaker to allow single subject appropriations bill to be brought to the floor, debated, amended, debated and voted on.
McCarthy agreed to that plan. Then McCarthy started playing parliamentarian games. He allowed some appropriations to come to the floor and be amended, debated and voted on.
He "allowed" other appropriation bills to get tied up in committees to run the clock out and get into shutdown politics and subsequently use shutdown politics to abandon all the work that was done on prior appropriations and move to a CR to avoid a shutdown or long term shutdown.
Gaetz called him out by bringing a motion to vacate. McCarthy was vacated. The motion to vacate was a contingency in the plan that started in January.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:08 pm to Indefatigable
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It would also be true if one believed that the small size of the GOP majority was the driver in House decision-making and NOT who the speaker is....wouldn't it?
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain Johnson had to have the support of the majority of the republican legislators, or he could never be the nominee designate, could he? And then, I believe nearly all, if not every House republican voted for him to make him Speaker, no?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:09 pm to GumboPot
quote:That's a really big word salad just to say there was no plan...
The overarching object was to get to single subject appropriation bills. This was no secret. Gaetz has been screaming form the roof tops about this one issue. That is why I posted Mike Johnson's position on this issue in the OP.
The plan in January was for the new Speaker to allow single subject appropriations bill to be brought to the floor, debated, amended, debated and voted on.
McCarthy agreed to that plan. Then McCarthy started playing parliamentarian games. He allowed some appropriations to come to the floor and be amended, debated and voted on.
He "allowed" other appropriation bills to get tied up in committees to run the clock out and get into shutdown politics and subsequently use shutdown politics to abandon all the work that was done on prior appropriations and move to a CR to avoid a shutdown or long term shutdown.
Gaetz called him out by bringing a motion to vacate. McCarthy was vacated. The motion to vacate was a contingency in the plan that started in January.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:09 pm to goatmilker
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You were never happy about this.
I've mostly been laughing about this.
I don't get emotional about politics 99% of the time. This was not a 1% scenario
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I'm shocked you would think its bad for the people who have not even found out about this yet.
The drama has been in the news for a while. The story has been set.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:14 pm to Billions
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If fear of losing to Democrats means we have to cater to Democrats, then, what difference does it make?
It's about understanding power and weaknesses to increase power over the replacement scenario over the long term. Y'all only see the short term.
That's why the meme of Republicans shooting themselves in the foot is so popular. It killed the red wave in 2022 for instance.
Sure they may "win" but then their insanity turns off moderates and the GOP can actually do stuff. The only way that paradigm changes is if the GOP out-crazies the DEMs.
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