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re: Not looking good for MAGA in Alaska
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Could be two weeks before results are known, with ranked choice.
yeah that's the biggest BS about this system
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Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:30 am to lsursb
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Every resident of the remote villages who she buys off.
Done through the support of various native groups like the AFN or the regional corporation.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:31 am to LSU2ALA
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So you mean she’s a compromise pick? The horror! The biggest problem in our politics now is the polarized nature. This board talks all the time about how far left Democrats have gone vs. yesteryear, and it’s true. The cure for that is ranked choice voting. It pulls people back from the margins. Our current primary system leads to the far left and far right having outsized influence. That’s a problem. Rank voting is the solution.
Look, I’m personally not pro or anti-Murkowski. She’s been good in some arenas and bad in others, I’m pretty neutral on her, and I’ll agree with your assessment that our national (and state politics even) has become just a clown show of “owning” the other side instead of shite that could work for America in general (I always think of the Ronald Reagan and Tip O’Neill relationship).
However, ranked voting is not a solution by any means, because one of our biggest problems is US Senators and US Reps being in Washington DC for 40+ years. That needs to stop, and all ranked voting does is strengthen the incumbents’ abilities to remain up there way longer than they should.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:35 am to ragincajun03
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However, ranked voting is not a solution by any means, because one of our biggest problems is US Senators and US Reps being in Washington DC for 40+ years. That needs to stop, and all ranked voting does is strengthen the incumbents’ abilities to remain up there way longer than they should.
See my point is that either system in Alaska isn't going to work to fix this issue.
It's a mainstay in Alaska federal politics, small state with small population and small representation NEEDS long-term incumbent members in order to get power in the Senate/House in order to ensure Alaska gets the Fed monies
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:44 am to ragincajun03
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However, ranked voting is not a solution by any means, because one of our biggest problems is US Senators and US Reps being in Washington DC for 40+ years. That needs to stop, and all ranked voting does is strengthen the incumbents’ abilities to remain up there way longer than they should.
It won't fix long term members of congress immediately, but there is no solution that will do that in the short term.
It does however open the door to third party candidates, which up until now is pretty much limited to the Northeastern States due to people voting either Republican or Democrat. With a chunk of third party (or even 4th or 5th) parties in congress, then the avenues to discuss things like term limits, dissolution of the electoral college to vote for a President by popular choice vs regional power become options.
But you can't do squat until you get other parties up there in congress.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:48 am to Texaggie96
Ranked choice will benefit Murk in November
Anyone who votes democrat will rank Murk 1st and give their vote to her once the democrat doesn’t win. That’s going to be a ton of votes.
Anyone who votes democrat will rank Murk 1st and give their vote to her once the democrat doesn’t win. That’s going to be a ton of votes.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:49 am to Texaggie96
The Alaska voting system is fricking whack
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:50 am to Texaggie96
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It does however open the door to third party candidates,
Not in either of the two States it currently operates in
Both of which have strong pools of independent voters
I know that Maine has had two long-term independent Federal folks, but that was well before ranked choice voting.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:59 am to gaetti15
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Not in either of the two States it currently operates in Both of which have strong pools of independent voters I know that Maine has had two long-term independent Federal folks, but that was well before ranked choice voting.
Eh? Angus King is an Independent. He caucuses with the Democrats because you can't do shite in Washington without a Caucus because the 2 party system will lock you out.
There have been other independents historically as well (which is amazing considering how locked in the 2 party system is in most states). Imagine if 25 of the senators were independent or affiliated with another party. The whole concept of majority/minority would be turned on it's head and they'd need to agree to new rules. Then you could start to make some headway on the "I'm the senator from XYZ and I'm 152 fricking years old serving my 42nd term."
See ya pops!
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:04 am to Texaggie96
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Eh? Angus King is an Independent.
go re-read what I wrote "Main has had two long-term independent Federal folks"...hmm wonder what their names were?
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There have been other independents historically as well (which is amazing considering how locked in the 2 party system is in most states).
which all were in place before the current ranked choice voting that Maine voted for in 2016.
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Imagine if 25 of the senators were independent or affiliated with another party. The whole concept of majority/minority would be turned on it's head and they'd need to agree to new rules. Then you could start to make some headway on the "I'm the senator from XYZ and I'm 152 fricking years old serving my 42nd term."
Except it hasn't happened in EITHER of the two States that have implemented it yet, both of which have strong pools of independent voters.
Alaska, per what I've stated in this thread, will never NOT vote for a long-term incumbent as it needs to maintain power via longevity in order to get more Federal monies
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:16 am to gaetti15
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which all were in place before the current ranked choice voting that Maine voted for in 2016.
He was the incumbent yes, but he was still re-elected in 2018 under the ranked voting system. He just happened to get over 50% on the first ballot.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:17 am to gaetti15
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most of anchorage itself is pretty liberal. the city council is very liberal outside of three members.
So Alaska is not a lot different than much of the US? Liberal in its most populous area and conservative most others?
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:21 am to Bard
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So Alaska is not a lot different than much of the US? Liberal in its most populous area and conservative most others?
In general, one would say yes...but with extra dynamics. Native populations typically vote Dem, but there are some pockets of conservative/right of center (leave me the hell alone) voters. For instance, the North Slope is pretty right of center because of resource development.
Folks that live in more rural areas, for instance Kenai Peninsula (except for Homer...a hippie commune), southeast Fairbanks, Mat-Su valley are heavily conservative.
However, areas like Juneau are incredibly liberal leaning (it's the seat of the State government).
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:55 am to Jack Ruby
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Who the hell is voting for Murkowski at all??
Everyone that depends on federal subsidies. Which is most of Alaska. It’s essentially a welfare state.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:57 am to Texaggie96
Alaska has a strange primary process. It was always said Murk would survive this round; because she has deep ties in Alaska through her family.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:12 am to cajunangelle
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Alaska has a strange primary process. It was always said Murk would survive this round; because she has deep ties in Alaska through her family.
There was no doubt she'd survive the primary. There wasn't a lot of expectation she'd be in the pole position though, especially considering she was a high target for her impeachment vote.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:39 am to Texaggie96
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In ranked voting, everyone's vote counts. If their candidate is nixed (because they lack sufficient votes to advance), their votes go to their next ranked choice.
Wtf did I just read?
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:41 am to Amadeo
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Wtf did I just read?
Harvard fan, but apparently not Harvard Graduate?
Posted on 8/17/22 at 10:53 am to Texaggie96
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There wasn't a lot of expectation she'd be in the pole position though, especially considering she was a high target for her impeachment vote.
Yeah idk , she would have to have done something else more than that to get voted out in Alaska...i.e. scandal.
Alaska isn't exactly a hardcore Trump state, in certain areas FOR SURE, but not as hardcore as let's say Wyoming
Just look at the last presidential election for proof of that.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 11:01 am to Texaggie96
No one is surprised by this. Rank choice voting guarantees that Murkowski will keep her seat. It's the reason they implemented it.
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 11:03 am
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