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re: None of the Zillion NPC talking head had a clue who Obama was
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:07 am to Microtiger
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:07 am to Microtiger
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the THUG thing
I don’t consider him a thug; I consider him a Communist and Muslim sympathizer which is more dangerous.
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:07 am to Microtiger
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That's something that doesn't happen without some ability whether or not you had help getting in.
Sure it does.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:16 am to Microtiger
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It's not wrong to be skeptical of how he managed to get into Columbia. Like all Ivy League schools (and I live in the town with the worst Ivy League right now), it's the connections and money that get you in before your personal qualifications.
What sort of “connections” does a 20 year old aimless college kid at a school in California, who is the son of a middle class single mother from Hawaii, have or acquire to pull entry into the Ivy League in the middle of undergrad in the early 80s?
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 10:19 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:26 am to Y.A. Tittle
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He had become part of Occidental's activist network, participating in a vigil protesting against the imprisonment of Nelson Mandela. It led him to give the first public political speech of his life, on 18 February 1981, giving him the first intimations of what it was like to move crowds, large or small, with words. But after only two years at Occidental, Obama was ready to go. In late March he filled out applications to transfer to Columbia in New York. He wanted to go deeper into the American experience, and the black experience. "I figured that if there weren't any more black students at Columbia than there were at Oxy, I'd at least be in the heart of it," he said.
You can read between the lines, but it seems he took the initiative to apply for transfer and Columbia probably jumped on the opportunity to increase their diversity numbers. He might not have even needed connections at all for that. Columbia was specifically worried about exactly this at the time.
It's obviously just anecdotal but I know plenty of people here that got into Cornell without any connections whatsoever or wealthy families based on their previous excellent grades, including some from random small colleges. But of course it's no secret that Obama's Occidental performance was nothing special.
This whole argument is silly if it's being used to stain him against Trump, by the way (like the point of the image I originally replied to). Trump's Wharton admission is far from clean and he massively benefited from (legitimate, I'll admit) connections higher up.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 10:30 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:29 am to Microtiger
You care more about the emotional connotation of the word thug than his nefarious actions. You place your pussy emotions over his bad actions.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:31 am to Bwmdx
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You care more about the emotional connotation of the word thug than his nefarious actions. You place your pussy emotions over his bad actions.
That's a huge stretch.
No, I just appreciate criticizing the man for what he's done and having an actual discussion, rather than putting up a stupid "him vs. Trump at 20 years old" vapid image meme. The thug thing was just one part of that and not even what I wanted to focus on - I wasn't the one who jumped and got defensive on that topic, lol. But a lot of folks real sensitive about being called out for it.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 10:34 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:37 am to Microtiger
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This whole argument is silly if it's being used to stain him against Trump, by the way (like the point of the image I originally replied to). Trump's Wharton admission is far from clean and he massively benefited from (legitimate, I'll admit) connections higher up.
Nah, I'm not attempting that. Just find some of the holes in Obama's legacy and background quite intriguing. It's weird that it seems to be considered normal historical inquiry to delve into this sort of stuff with other historical figures, but somehow "quacky" to do so with him.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:40 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Nah, I'm not attempting that. Just find some of the holes in Obama's legacy and background quite intriguing. It's weird that it seems to be considered normal historical inquiry to delve into this sort of stuff with other historical figures, but somehow "quacky" to do so with him.
I don't mind digging into Obama's history at all.
I mind (1) the stupid shite in the original image I replied to that reduces actual arguments into inane fluff and (2) hypocrisy when the digging into Obama is done in an attempt to demonize him against others who have done the same or similar things.
If you're cool with investigating holes in both Trump's and Obama's legacies and backgrounds then I'll all game for it. Both of them have, like you said, interesting discrepancies. I don't tolerate two-faced bullshite, though.
It's also not "clever" to act like "oh, no, I'm just curious that's all, just curious about Obama" when you don't care at all about any similar problems with people on "your side". I'm not accusing you of that, because I assume you're reasonable, but there's a lot of that going on in this forum.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 10:46 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:13 am to Strannix
Their public posture was one of acting as though they didn't really want to know, or at least having no intention of admitting they knew.
Hannity keeps grinding that he was the only one among the Right and Left that "vetted" Obama during the campaign. But even he was aware that there was only so far he could go with it.
He didn't know any more than the leftists in the national media did.
Just in their case they were aware that had they pounded into our living rooms daily all they knew about him - as is their M.O. against the opposition - he would've been laughed off the dais.
So they would be sabotaging the very entity they saw as the validation of their liberalism; even the one who was going to usher in the leftist millenium they had been patiently waiting on for so long.
They weren't going to do anything that would impede the solution to their guilt and long term leftist aspirations.
The entire experience at the time had more than a few characteristics of mass hysteria.
Across both the Left and among too many on the Right, he was whatever one wanted him to be.
Our first Rorschach President.
Hannity keeps grinding that he was the only one among the Right and Left that "vetted" Obama during the campaign. But even he was aware that there was only so far he could go with it.
He didn't know any more than the leftists in the national media did.
Just in their case they were aware that had they pounded into our living rooms daily all they knew about him - as is their M.O. against the opposition - he would've been laughed off the dais.
So they would be sabotaging the very entity they saw as the validation of their liberalism; even the one who was going to usher in the leftist millenium they had been patiently waiting on for so long.
They weren't going to do anything that would impede the solution to their guilt and long term leftist aspirations.
The entire experience at the time had more than a few characteristics of mass hysteria.
Across both the Left and among too many on the Right, he was whatever one wanted him to be.
Our first Rorschach President.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:21 am to Strannix
Once an election cheat, always an election cheat.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:32 am to Microtiger
Ummm, you do know that his purported to be mother was about as pale white as anyone could possibly be, don't you?
Why do they invariably claim the black half as what they are?
Looking for the massive reparations check?
So they can claim to be racially oppressed?
Both are laughable.
Why do they invariably claim the black half as what they are?
Looking for the massive reparations check?
So they can claim to be racially oppressed?
Both are laughable.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:39 am to supatigah
I don't know how you can say that.
Look at the thuggish things he did while in the WH.
Weaponizing the FBI, IRS and how many other 3 letter agencies again regular folks is the first thing that came to mind.
Taking away people's healthcare and forcing them to spend 1/2 their income before they even see their provider.
Look at the thuggish things he did while in the WH.
Weaponizing the FBI, IRS and how many other 3 letter agencies again regular folks is the first thing that came to mind.
Taking away people's healthcare and forcing them to spend 1/2 their income before they even see their provider.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:41 am to September 1948
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Ummm, you do know that his purported to be mother was about as pale white as anyone could possibly be, don't you?
Why do they invariably claim the black half as what they are?
Looking for the massive reparations check?
So they can claim to be racially oppressed?
Both are laughable.
So is he actually not black at all, or only President and a Columbia graduate because he's black?
Regardless of him being mixed he's clearly considered black by everyone for his entire life, and mixed races have almost always been treated the same way unless they present extremely light.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 11:43 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:44 am to Microtiger
Do you admire Obama? If so, why?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:48 am to roadGator
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Do you admire Obama? If so, why?
Why do you ask that question in this context?
I'm not a huge fan of many of his policies and I consider him a disappointment, but I did vote for him.
I would not agree with the statement "I admire Obama".
What's that got to do with pointing out how stupid it is to dig into his childhood and past to criticise the man when he has enough to criticise in his actions as President? I also don't agree with criticizing Trump's past pre-Presidency or childhood.
You shouldn't have to be in love with the guy to not let blind hatred drive every single opinion you have of him. That's literally the flip side of "Orange Man Bad".
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 11:52 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:52 am to Microtiger
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What's that got to do with pointing out how stupid it is to dig into his childhood and past to criticise the man when he has enough to criticise in his actions as President? I also don't agree with criticizing Trump's past pre-Presidency or childhood.
Meh, I think discovering the origins of a corrupt scoundrel who fooled a vast amount of people into voting for him is valuable to learn how to avoid it in the future.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:53 am to Microtiger
"First public speech of his life, on 18 February 1981".
I wonder if he had a TelePrompTer there, too, since he needed one to make a speech before kindergartners and still can't make, to this very day, an intelligent, comprehensible speech.
" Um, uh stutter, stutter, stutter). Do we need to drag out a few of this brilliant orator's speeches for another good laugh? I could use a good laugh new.
I wonder if he had a TelePrompTer there, too, since he needed one to make a speech before kindergartners and still can't make, to this very day, an intelligent, comprehensible speech.
" Um, uh stutter, stutter, stutter). Do we need to drag out a few of this brilliant orator's speeches for another good laugh? I could use a good laugh new.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:54 am to September 1948
This is still a legitimate critique of Obama? That he needed a teleprompter to give speeches?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:55 am to Strannix
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:01 pm to Vacherie Saint
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They didn't care. They were so dazzled by his brown skin, soaring preachers tone, and contempt for the United States that they were willing to overlook his scandals, election cheating, murky past, and questionable associations.
That and the fact that he filled a "foreign student" quota. No doubt in my mind that Obama lied and claimed to be Kenyan on his college applications, if he even submitted any.
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