re: No ground troops

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China is one of the leading experts in this area currently.

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What cheap substandard infrastructure?

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Why wouldn't the new regime go with the cheaper (at least short term) option?

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You are assuming all they want or need is that.

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The power vacuum we’re creating there is going to be taken advantage of by terror groups unless we supervise the change on the ground, and we all know how that will unfold.

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70% to 80% of Iranians want a regime change. 95% of Iranians outside of Iran want a regime change. In 2000 a majority of people in Afghanistan wanted a regime change. The Taliban controlled less than 90% of the country and was becoming less popular. Now the Taliban controls 100% and they are more strict. There will be a power vacuum and we need to control it better than we tried in Afghanistan. We can’t make ME countries like the West overnight

The American military can’t be the only country on the ground helping with a regime change. US, Egyptian, and Pakistani group effort would be the best partnership. Maybe even an Indonesian delegate can help. Keeping Muslim countries involved in the change should make it easier. Egypt, Pakistan, and Indonesia have a good relationship.

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Sure, but that's not "castrated" in any way.

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Its pretty well known China was castrated when the US operated, nearly unscathed, in point blank range of the latest and greatest Chinese anti aircraft weapons during the Venezuela field trip.

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I don’t see how an acceptable regime change happens without ground troops

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Trump never said ground troops won’t be deployed, he said our ground troops won’t be deployed. I keep hearing you bumbling morons complain that this is Israel’s war, well that’s exactly who’s going to deploy ground troops

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I don't support this war.

I'm just giving reasons why the conflict is likely to turn out bad in discussing the regime change/no regime change scenarios, to explain my stance above.

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All war is bad.
You don't need to contribute anything.
That is baseline understood.

You have your motivations. And they literally are not needed due to the basis that war is bad.

Edit to add: some things are worse. Not fighting in wars can be worse.

Good bye.

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All war is bad.
You don't need to contribute anything.
That is baseline understood.

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I said THIS war is bad, and isn't likely to lead to positive outcomes.

It's not about a "baseline" or "all war is bad" statement, which I never made.

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some things are worse. Not fighting in wars can be worse.

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Can be? Sure

Has history proven that to be the case with the ME? No

Does Israel have enough ground troops to occupy Iran?

Even ignoring their occupation of Gaza. Could they do it at full force?

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Not part of his “current” plan. I don’t see how an acceptable regime change happens without ground troops in some capacity. The power vacuum we’re creating there is going to be taken advantage of by terror groups unless we supervise the change on the ground, and we all know how that will unfold.

I say we save money, time, and American lives by just bombing the hell out of them, tell them to do what they can to take over their own country, and if the terrorists take it again and start their shite again, we bomb then another time in the future. No ground troops, but I don’t see how Trump’s goal is accomplished without them.

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I'm frequently reminded by many on this forum how Trump conducts business. Trump's negotiating style is to ask for everything. Trump knows he's likely not getting everything he wants from the Islamic Regime, what Trump will settle for is anyone's guess.

The best case scenario is a street level uprising overwhelms the Islamic Regime and removes them from power and the Islamic theocracy is replaced with a government that is tolerant of Western civilization and friendly with its ME neighbors........a Persian nation that pledges to end all pursuit of nuclear weapons.

If this ^^^^ were to happen Trump would literally get everything he's wanting. I think if the US sends in US ground forces to exact regime change you will see a long and protracted struggle to do so. Look how long it took just to get Iraq stabilized again after Saddam Hussein was ousted, now imagine the US trying to keep peace and order at the same time with both Iraq and Iran.

No, the best case scenario is the only lasting solution and that is the Persian people rising up and doing away with the Islamic Regime.

Well I guess the whole no new wars and America first “policy” was a f’n lie Trump will somehow cave to Israel like he does every time and we’ll have troops in there somehow.

Soccer queen enters the fray.