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Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:59 pm to Chuck Barris
quote:which begs a question... Are we really first world?
We're just going to continue being the only first world country where this happens on a regular basis
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:00 pm to rbWarEagle
quote:You're asking for magic.
But you’re not offering a solution. I don’t think gun control is the answer, either, but at least have a counter argument.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:00 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:
which begs a question... Are we really first world?
Strongest economy, strongest military, best standard of living, best healthcare.
Nah bro, we third world an shite yo.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:03 pm to TGFN57
quote:Silly. I'm sure ONE kid has been save by using a gun in the history of the universe. So... well... you're argument is kinda void.
ONE murdered kid is too many.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:06 pm to Stingy
quote:So, given their "criminal invader" status, arguably even MORE impressive that almost none of them murder women in San Francisco, no?
No, but illegal aliens are criminal invaders and legal citizens are not.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:16 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
So, given their "criminal invader" status, arguably even MORE impressive that almost none of them murder women in San Francisco, no?
About as impressive as most pedophiles don't rob banks. Although that may be a bad analogy because you might defend pedos also.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:27 pm to Stingy
The point is that almost all murders are outliers and it's silly to extrapolate too much information from any single event. Having said that, I do think the media should trumpet the stat more that was alluded to on here: 80% of gun crimes are committed with illegally possessed guns.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:35 pm to Big Scrub TX
We've done the math here before...
A whopping 0.023% of legal gun owners become criminals at any given time (and I’m being generous here).
A whopping 0.023% of legal gun owners become criminals at any given time (and I’m being generous here).
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:57 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:Right. The reality is it seems high because it's almost zero in other countries. Like I said, given the supply of guns and the size and diversity of the population, I think the amount of mass killings and overall gun deaths is shockingly low.
A whopping 0.023% of legal gun owners become criminals at any given time (and I’m being generous here).
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:02 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Indeed. Almost zero = almost zero.
Right. The reality is it seems high because it's almost zero in other countries.
quote:It is. We put a lot of trust into our fellow man. I think about it often when traveling down a narrow 2-laned road. I'm putting my complete trust in that oncoming driver that he will not move over 24 inches and kill me and my family.
I think the amount of mass killings and overall gun deaths is shockingly low.
He is doing the same.
Statistically, that trust is far less earned than gun ownership. That oncoming driver is 2 orders of magnitude more likely to kill me and my family than the average gun owner.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:09 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
Again, show us anything that suggest that prohibition would stop this type of action.
No one will bother to read it...because you know...moar guns.
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In 1996, Australia passed the National Firearms Agreement after a mass shooting in Tasmania in April of that year. In that incident, a 28-year-old man, armed with a semi-automatic rifle, shot and killed 35 people, and injured 18 others, in what was known as the Port Arthur Massacre. Under the 1996 law, Australia banned certain semi-automatic, self-loading rifles and shotguns, and imposed stricter licensing and registration requirements. It also instituted a mandatory buyback program for firearms banned by the 1996 law. During the buyback program, Australians sold 640,000 prohibited firearms to the government, and voluntarily surrendered about 60,000 non-prohibited firearms. In all, more than 700,000 weapons were surrendered, according to a Library of Congress report on Australian gun policy. One study says that the program reduced the number of guns in private hands by 20 percent. In 2002, Australia further tightened gun laws, restricting the caliber, barrel length and capacity for sport shooting handguns. Since 1996, the number and rate of homicides — defined as murder and manslaughter — has fallen. Below is the chart that appeared in our 2009 Ask FactCheck article, showing a 20 percent decline in homicides from 1996 to 2007.
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“While 13 gun massacres (the killing of 4 or more people at one time) occurred in Australia in the 18 years before the NFA, resulting in more than one hundred deaths, in the 14 following years (and up to the present), there were no gun massacres.” “In the seven years before the NFA (1989-1995), the average annual firearm suicide death rate per 100,000 was 2.6 (with a yearly range of 2.2 to 2.9); in the seven years after the buyback was fully implemented (1998-2004), the average annual firearm suicide rate was 1.1 (yearly range 0.8 to 1.4).” “In the seven years before the NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate per 100,000 was .43 (range .27 to .60) while for the seven years post NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate was .25 (range .16 to .33).” “[T]he drop in firearm deaths was largest among the type of firearms most affected by the buyback.” The authors, however, noted that “no study has explained why gun deaths were falling, or why they might be expected to continue to fall.” That poses difficulty in trying to definitively determine the impact of the law, they write. “Whether or not one wants to attribute the effects as being due to the law, everyone should be pleased with what happened in Australia after the NFA — the elimination of firearm massacres (at least up to the present) and an immediate, and continuing, reduction in firearm suicide and firearm homicide,” the authors write.
shrug
I'm sure the gun nuts will scream how that can't possible work here....the next school shooting...because we both know...there will be yet another one soon.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:05 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
I certainly didn't kill anyone today.
Going to need some proof of that.
Day ain’t over yet.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:55 pm to Stingy
Hang on, gotta go check my guns to see if they killed anyone today.
I don't trust my AR15, it's really scary looking.
I don't trust my AR15, it's really scary looking.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:58 pm to asurob1
quote:
I'm sure the gun nuts will scream how that can't possible work here....the next school shooting...because we both know...there will be yet another one soon.
What are the percentages of homicides per capita based on that graph? How does that compare to the US?
What is the population compared to the US?
What is the racial diversity of Australia versus the US?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:41 am to berrycajun
quote:I'd say Islamic terrorists have been at work for a long, long time. We actually don't seem to have as much as there used to be; but it's a different type. They used to target Israelis, now they're targeting us and Western Europe more.
Yes. Mass killings like this increased in frequency beginning in the late 90s. Why? We had guns before the late 90s, so access to guns is NOT why this is happening.
Also why did ISIS just suddenly become a huge threat in what seemed like overnight? Both types of terrorists (both American mass shooters and Islamic terrorists) seemed to have increased rapidly over the past 20 years. Yet there’s no reason we can pinpoint. Why?
As for mass shootings, I think media saturation and copycat syndrome in sick individuals plays a role. A pretty large amount of these bastards want the infamy and notoriety associated with the act.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:33 am to rbWarEagle
quote:
But you’re not offering a solution. I don’t think gun control is the answer,
Simple solution.
If you have a gun free zone, you must secure it with a security checkpoint.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:14 am to asurob1
quote:
“In the seven years before the NFA (1989-1995), the average annual firearm suicide death rate per 100,000 was 2.6 (with a yearly range of 2.2 to 2.9); in the seven years after the buyback was fully implemented (1998-2004), the average annual firearm suicide rate was 1.1 (yearly range 0.8 to 1.4).” “In the seven years before the NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate per 100,000 was .43 (range .27 to .60) while for the seven years post NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate was .25 (range .16 to .33).”
Those are cool stats and all, but more information is needed. Are suicidal people without guns suddenly deciding not to kill themselves, or are they killing themselves using another method? Do you really think that someone intent on homicide will just decide against it because they don't have a gun, or will they just use another method? Guns are not the problem. People are the problem.
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