re: New York Times gems on the Arbery case.

I’m not arguing that they did that.
I’m not arguing that Arbery was out jogging.

You want to take another swing?

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What immediate knowledge did the McMichaels have of his intent?


I'm not sure, I'm waiting to see the trail before I decide.

Or you can just save me the time and tell me, since you clearly know.

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ill give you a hint, refer to their statements to the police at the time of the shooting. they had no knowledge of an ongoing felony.

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Or are we still defending him by suggesting he was studying the carpentry skills so he can build his mom a house just like that?

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Where in my post did I discuss anything related to AA?

I was discussing the immediate knowledge of the McMichaels

If you want to litigate AA's guilt feel free, but it doesn't belong in this thread.

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ill give you a hint, refer to their statements to the police at the time of the shooting. they had no knowledge of an ongoing felony.

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What's the exact wording of the question and answer that you're speaking of?

I heard the prosecution asked the detective if the McMichaels ever mentioned that they were attempting to detain Arbery, and he said no they never said they were trying to detain Arbery.

McMichaels did tell that detective that he said "Stop, stop, I want to talk to you". Sounds like he wanted to detain him personally, or at least it's arguable...

Gotta watch how things are worded.

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I was discussing the immediate knowledge of the McMichaels

If you want to litigate AA's guilt feel free, but it doesn't belong in this thread.

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Speaking as the person who made this thread, and judging by the post you've made in the other Arbery threads, it seems you don't want it discussed in any thread.

You do bring up a wonderful point with respect to the case though, all the McMichaels can do is operate off of what they knew on that particular day. That said, the point of my thread was to withhold judgement and let the trial play out - look at Mr English covering his own arse arse an example.

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If you want to litigate AA's guilt feel free, but it doesn't belong in this thread.

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Shut up.

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So going onto someone else's property is ok..."cause who hasn't done it"? I guess I can go into someones house when the owners arent there because I've been in there before invited...

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There's an unwritten social rule that it's not criminal to go onto a construction site and look around. Virtually every homeowner has done it, and it's not the same as walking into someone's home today simply because they invited you over yesterday.

That said, stealing and casing construction sites isn't some sort of unwritten social rule. There's a gigantic difference between passing your neighbor's home that's under construction, only to see a Honda van parked out front with the silhouette family stickers on the back glass and a married couple casually looking around/taking pictures and passing by your neighbor's home and seeing a suspicious looking young man who, once he sees that you see him, takes off running - especially if that's the same dude you confronted on that property two weeks prior and told him he wasn't allowed to be there.

It seems there are several lemmings in this thread that are sitting at their keyboard slack jawed, utterly confused as to why anyone would reasonably assume that that person was there with the intent to steal something.

I mean, we've all seen the married couples driving Honda vans parked out front before, haven't we? Lets not pretend it's reasonable to be suspicious of such behavior. Sure, the McMichaels just happened to be right... But come on...

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The prosecutor thinks it was illegal. Thus the trial.

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Ok cause we've never seen a Prosecutor take something to trial based on "feels" before.

So still not getting an answer here...what did they do that was illegal? Take the race factor out of it and lay it out for me.

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When a police officer who responded to the shooting asked Greg McMichael if Arbery had broken into a house, he told the officer: “That’s just it. I don’t know ... I don’t know. He might have gone in somebody’s house,” according to Dunikoski.

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Not so sure if 'IDK maybe' covers direct knowledge of a felony...

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The chase started when a neighbor who’s not charged in the case called a nonemergency police number after seeing Arbery wandering inside a home under construction, where security cameras had recorded him before.

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seems like theres only evidence of trespassing which would not be a felony to detain a citizens arrest escapee. also the mcmichaels were not directly aware of this happening, refer to the first quote in my post

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Dunikoski said Greg McMichael later told police that at one point during the chase he shouted at Arbery, “Stop or I’ll blow your f—-ing head off!”

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seems to suggest violent intent. you realize even if their CA was justifiable, it does not justify the mcmichaels crimes like aggravated assault committed in the process of the CA.

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According to a transcript of Marcy's interview with McMichael, Marcy asked McMichael if Arbery had picked anything up from the construction site. McMichael said: "You know, not that I recall. I don’t think the guy has actually stolen anything out of there, or if he did, it was early in the process."

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more admission of no direct knowledge.