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re: New York must allow religious exemptions to vaccine mandate, judge rules
Posted on 10/12/21 at 1:37 pm to Bamatab
Posted on 10/12/21 at 1:37 pm to Bamatab
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Well, you better be prepared to tell them that you don't use basically any over the counter medication like Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Ibuprofen, Tums, Maalox, Benadryl, Sudafed, and a number of other common medications. They all used fetal cells in a similar manner.
No need to tell them that. Just need to tell them that you would also apply for a religious medical exemption for those drugs were they mandated.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 1:46 pm to moneyg
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Just need to tell them that you would also apply for a religious medical exemption for those drugs were they mandated.
Doesn't really work when they ask you if you are currently taking any other medications (which is probably more unlawful than questioning whether you actually believe what you say you do).
Even then, I don't think it is, or else the federal government is breaking the law (which isn't out of the realm of possibility).
Posted on 10/12/21 at 1:51 pm to Cowboyfan89
Well, I’m not currently taking any OTC meds. But now that I know they contain aborted fetal cells I will never take them again
Assume aspirin not made with that.
Question is how much they want to fight all of those cases. Do employer’s really care that much. It’s a dogfight and lawyers finna eat
Assume aspirin not made with that.
Question is how much they want to fight all of those cases. Do employer’s really care that much. It’s a dogfight and lawyers finna eat
Posted on 10/12/21 at 2:05 pm to dafif
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Assume aspirin not made with that.
Aspirin is included.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 5:51 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Doesn't really work when they ask you if you are currently taking any other medications (which is probably more unlawful than questioning whether you actually believe what you say you do).
You don't get to ask what medications I'm taking.
However, I can truthfully say that I'm willing to apply for a religious exemption for a similar mandate for any similar drug.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 6:46 pm to brett408
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The government has zero authority to decide what is and is not a legitimate religion.
probably goes by number of people following it...
probably need about a hundred or so
Posted on 10/12/21 at 6:48 pm to chalmetteowl
Is Scientology a religion? Was Jim Jones’ church a religion? What about all those little Christian churches in someone’s home?
Posted on 10/12/21 at 6:50 pm to teke184
quote:yes
Is Scientology a religion?
quote:to the people in it, yes
Was Jim Jones’ church a religion?
quote:falls under Christianity
What about all those little Christian churches in someone’s home?
Posted on 10/12/21 at 7:19 pm to moneyg
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You don't get to ask what medications I'm taking.
Some are, which is the point I was making.
And FWIW, I don't give a frick what meds you are taking.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 7:47 pm to Bamatab
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Aspirin is included
The history of aspirin (also known as acetylsalicylic acid) begins with its synthesis and manufacture in 1899.
Lots of aborted fetal cells in 1899
Posted on 10/12/21 at 7:58 pm to Bamatab
How do you argue that? What points would be enough to be considered valid?
Posted on 10/12/21 at 8:00 pm to Bamatab
WHat bible verses would you use? And I’ve prayed and thought and prayed some more — same boat as you.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 8:04 pm to Bamatab
And they should not be allowed to determine whether or not a religious exemption is legitimate.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 8:19 pm to tiger91
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WHat bible verses would you use?
Verses that deal with God answering prayers. I would start with the following verses:
Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Psa 91:15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
1Jn 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1Jn 5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
Jer 29:12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
And I'm sure there are more applicable scriptures about God answering prayers.
Now with that said, I don't have a whole lot of confidence that any of it will work.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 8:20 pm to imjustafatkid
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And they should not be allowed to determine whether or not a religious exemption is legitimate.
I agree 100% with you, but unfortunately that currently is not the case.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 8:25 pm to dafif
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The history of aspirin (also known as acetylsalicylic acid) begins with its synthesis and manufacture in 1899.
Lots of aborted fetal cells in 1899
I agree with you that it doesn't make any sense, but companies are using that when trying to determine whether or not to approve exemptions, at least from what I have found on the internet (not that you can believe everything you read on the internet). I don't personally believe they should have the right to determine the validity of one's religious views on this subject, but yet they are unfortunately.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 8:49 pm to Bamatab
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I agree 100% with you, but unfortunately that currently is not the case.
I know, but it should be.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 9:06 pm to Bamatab
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I don't personally believe they should have the right to determine the validity of one's religious views on this subject, but yet they are unfortunately.
The whole point of Title VII is to protect people's "sincerely held religious beliefs". If employers aren't allowed to gauge the sincerity of an employee, anyone could claim just about anything and get a religious exemption.
And unfortunately, that's what's happening now. Thousands of people are going to claim they have a sincerely held belief against the use of aborted fetal cells in vaccine development, but never bat an eye at all the other medicine developed with the use of those same cell lines. Hey, maybe they all of a sudden had a change of heart and will never use those again. But they better not have anything else out there showing any other opposition to the mandates/vaccine. Especially if it becomes a legal battle.
Hell, I'm pro-life, and never realized half of those meds were developed with aborted fetal cells. I'm not even basing my argument on that. Its more about the free will and the fact that God made us and left our fate up to our own doing. He didn't make us to flock to him mindlessly; he made us so that we would go to him of our own free will by the choices that we make in life. These mandates remove that choice. They remove our God-given free will and force us to do something we may not believe in.
Yes, I've chosen (ignorantly) to use other medications that are made with those fetal lines. And I will likely continue to use them in the future. I have horrible allergies, and most of those meds are developed using those cell lines.
But this is being forced on me; it's not my choice. And that goes against what I believe God intended for us.
This post was edited on 10/12/21 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:34 pm to Cowboyfan89
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But this is being forced on me; it's not my choice.
?????
You have the free will to vax or not, and the employer has the free will to keep you or not whether you vax or not…
If you think you’re forced to take it, you’re making yourself a slave to that company’s will. You’re only a slave if you think you are
Posted on 10/14/21 at 7:33 am to Cowboyfan89
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Thousands of people are going to claim they have a sincerely held belief against the use of aborted fetal cells in vaccine development, but never bat an eye at all the other medicine developed with the use of those same cell lines.
...
Hell, I'm pro-life, and never realized half of those meds were developed with aborted fetal cells.
As has been pointed out multiple times, the list of medications you’re referring to is extremely disingenuous. Aspirin and acetaminophen for example were both developed long before fetal cells were available for any kind of medical usage.
Anyone can do “testing” using fetal cells on any medication now and add it to that list. Hell, has any “testing” been done with oxygen or water and fetal stem cells? Better add them to the list! Now you can’t breathe or drink water or you’re a religious hypocrite.
The list you’re referring to says “fetal cell use in the testing and development” and they worded it that way on purpose to mislead people.
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