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re: New sworn depositions in support of Blasey Ford!

Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:13 am to
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:13 am to
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It is literally the definition of it. exceptions to the hearsay rule It fits none of those.


It isn’t an exception because it isn’t hearsay. You are looking at the wrong article. Dipshit.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:13 am to
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Absolutely. This isn’t hearsay.

Blacks Legal Dictionary disagrees with you.

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What is HEARSAY?

A term applied to that species of testimony given by a witness whorelates, not what he knows personally, but what others have told him, or what he hasheard said by others. Ilopt v. Utah, 110 U. S. 574, 4 Sup. Ct. 202. 28 L. Ed. 202; Morellv. Morell, 157 Ind. 170, 00 N. E. 1002; Stockton v. Williams, 1 Doug. (Mich.) 570;People v. Kraft, 01 Hun, 474, 30 N. Y. Supp. 1034.Hearsay evidence is that which does not derive its value solely from the credit of thewitness, but rests mainly on the veracity and competency of other persons. The verynature of the evidence shows its weakness, and it is admitted only in specified casesfrom necessity.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:13 am to
So Ford and one of them met at a pizzeria? WTF everything about this woman is weird as frick.
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:14 am to
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It is literally the definition of it.
The argument he is making is that the testimony isn't offered for the truth of the matter asserted, a requirement for it to be heresay, but rather offered as a rebuttal that the accusation was only contrived after Kavanaugh was nominated.
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
15554 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:14 am to
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So the relevance is not whether the statement was true, just that the statement was made


Did you even read the affidavits, Low-TBoy?

- Koehler states Ford didn’t say it was Kav until AFTER he was nominated

- Mazon had to contact Ford 10 days ago to tell HER what she told him; of note, Ford never mentioned Kav. that’s convenient, don’t you think?

- Finally, White states Ford never mentioned Kav.

So the only person who Ford mentioned Kav’s name to prior to the nomination/allegations going public about 10 days ago was her husband, who is forced to support his lying wife.

This is circumstantial proof to you?
This post was edited on 9/26/18 at 8:17 am
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:15 am to
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Are you making that up?

No.

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Have you read the statements? 

I read the relevant quotes, yes.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23709 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:15 am to
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The argument he is making is that the testimony isn't offered for the truth of the matter asserted, a requirement for it to be heresay, but rather offered as a rebuttal that the accusation was only contrived after Kavanaugh was nominated.


Finally, someone has a clue what they are talking about.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78613 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:17 am to
Some people make up new lies today, others tell the same lie for decades. It becomes part of the mythology they create for themselves. Muh Unwanted HS Breast Groping.
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:19 am to
I'm just pointing out the definition of hearsay. Most are concerned with whether this happened or not and these recorded statements would be considered hearsay if proffered for that reason. Even trying to backdoor them around the hearsay rule, they aren't particularly compelling.
Posted by Jeff Boomhauer
Arlen, TX
Member since Jun 2016
3552 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:19 am to
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Hasn't it been reported that she told her shrink back in 2012 it happened? That bucket doesn't seem to be carrying any water either.



I've been wondering where this therapist is. Why hasn't this person been named and asked about it?
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29684 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:20 am to
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I won’t comment about the content of the statements until we see them in full.

a downloadable pdf is in the article linked in my OP, has all 4

Have fun
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
15554 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:20 am to
Go ahead and pick which exception to hearsay you’re going to use to get over that hurdle. Then we’ll talk.

Exceptions to hearsay
Posted by DRMPHD
College Station, Texas
Member since Jun 2018
191 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:21 am to
Does anyone find it odd that she did not mention it to anyone for more than 30 years, and then all of a sudden she couldn't stop talking about it to casual acquaintances--mentioning it to her kid's baseball coach and somebody walking their dog? Seems odd.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23709 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:21 am to
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(c) Hearsay.
“Hearsay” means a statement that: (1) the declarant does not make while testifying at the current trial or hearing; and (2) a party offers in evidence to prove the truth of the matter asserted in the statement.


The key to hearsay is what you are doing with the statement. If you are using it to prove that the statement is true, it’s hearsay. For example, “She said he touched her, so that proves he touched her.”

However, if you are using a statement for another purpose, such as to refute a claim that the allegations were recently concocted, it isn’t hearsay. For example, “She didn’t make this up last week, she told me the same thing years ago.”
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68234 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:22 am to
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she didn’t invent the allegation after the nomination.
Are we going to see this email?
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
15554 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:22 am to
Where’d you get your law degree?
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29684 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:23 am to
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Absolutely. This isn’t hearsay.

Blacks Legal Dictionary disagrees with you


Low T Boy already in lockstep with the talking points, which include obfuscation of generally accepted terms and longstanding protections for the accused

Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:23 am to
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Where’d you get your law degree?
He's right about the heresay rule. Where did you get yours?
This post was edited on 9/26/18 at 8:24 am
Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
Member since Aug 2011
8607 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:23 am to
You assume they are telling the truth. Typical of your dumbass
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
20603 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:23 am to
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the testimony isn't offered for the truth of the matter asserted


How much do you want to bet this is exactly what it will be used for? Hell it is already being reported as proof that Kavanaugh is guilty in some articles.

Our society, journalists, politicians, political process, and federal government are completely and totally broken at every level.

We are trying to investigate and corroborate a 30 year old unproveable accusation, in which the accuser refuses to testify or even appear in public, never before reported or uncovered as a basis to ruin a man's life and disqualify him from an office he is by all other accounts more qualified than anyone else to hold.

And further, this investigation is seen as a massive victory and hill to die on for plenty of people in this country who only see politics as a 0 sum good VS evil game where the ends always justify the means and ultimate power is the only worthy goal regardless of how it affects anyone else.

Progressive group think trumping reason and logic and a massive sect of our population refusing to be impartial about situations is leading us on a one way collusion course with armed conflict.

I am not even asking you to say Kavanaugh did not do what he is accused of. Can you admit there is a reasonable doubt at this point that the accusations are untrue?
This post was edited on 9/26/18 at 8:25 am
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