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New mortality data in - truly chilling

Posted on 3/31/23 at 8:54 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33396 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 8:54 pm
Basically, life expectancy in the US is 5 years less than in the UK for the vast majority of our population.





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What is causing these gaps? Shockingly, America’s mortality problem is driven primarily by deaths among the young. One statistic in particular stood out: one in 25 American five-year-olds today will not make it to their 40th birthday.


That is just shocking.



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While Americans and Britons living in the richest neighbourhoods of their respective countries have similar, high life expectancies, at the bottom end it’s a different story. People born in the very poorest pockets of Blackpool are expected to live fully five years more than the poorest in the US.

This would be damning enough, but we’ve not yet accounted for the fact that the richest Americans are so much richer than their British counterparts. Once we do, Britain pulls clear at every income level. Someone with a net household income of about £65,000 or $100,000 will live to an average age of 85 in England, but only 80 in the US.



FT article - likely paywalled

summary twitter thread

I never realized how truly American the opioid problem is. Systemic failure.
Posted by ShinerHorns
El Paso
Member since Jul 2021
3904 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 8:55 pm to
Gotta wonder if all the vaccines are also causing early deaths.
Posted by Pookers
Member since Jun 2021
980 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 8:57 pm to
If it isnt vaccines its the poison they load into our food and water.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57275 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 8:58 pm to
Fentanyl and the vaccine
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33396 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 8:59 pm to
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Gotta wonder if all the vaccines are also causing early deaths.
It's not the vaccine. Everything is adjusted for covid in the numbers, but in any event, other countries quite obviously vaccinated as much or more than the US.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33396 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 8:59 pm to
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If it isnt vaccines its the poison they load into our food and water.
It's cars, drugs and guns, but diet is certainly greasing the skids.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94994 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 9:00 pm to
Some of it is the opioids.

Some of it is the fact that one particular segment of the population has an insane mortality rate between 12 and 40.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6404 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 9:00 pm to
The data only goes up to 2020, so, no.

Opioids and being fat. Plenty of brits, especially outside of London, are fat too, though they seem to walk more than we do, even if they're obese.

10k steps a day to live longer has merit.
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
20257 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 9:00 pm to
DAMN - glad I already made it this far.
Posted by Pookers
Member since Jun 2021
980 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 9:01 pm to
Yeah, definitely multifactorial.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
10320 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 9:01 pm to
We are a nation of fat, lazy fricks.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30437 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 9:01 pm to
We are FAT!!!
Posted by Pookers
Member since Jun 2021
980 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 9:02 pm to
Im not fat, you're fat. "Cracks open Dr. Pepper"
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35996 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 9:03 pm to
If the Albanians and Sicilians were the main distributors and sellers of American drugs, we'd have far less overdoses imo. The drug scene in the UK is far less deadly than it is here, and it largely has to do with the business practices of their criminal gangs.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33396 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 9:04 pm to
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Some of it is the fact that one particular segment of the population has an insane mortality rate between 12 and 40.
You can say that, but the big gap is persistent among almost the entire income line - and our rich people are a good bit richer than theirs.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33396 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 9:04 pm to
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If the Albanians and Sicilians were the main distributors and sellers of American drugs, we'd have far less overdoses imo. The drug scene in the UK is far less deadly than it is here, and it largely has to do with the business practices of their criminal gangs.
Opioids are an almost exclusively American problem - and that came via "legal" channels.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31460 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 9:12 pm to
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guns


You misspelled culcha.

And I’m not sure you can really control for COVID (and riots). So many factors. Drugs. Alcohol. Isolation and the attendant depression and sleep issues. But yeah UK would’ve had all of that and then some I guess.

Do Brits really eat better than [white] Americans?

My money is on fentanyl as far as the continental comparisons go.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33396 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 9:16 pm to
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You misspelled culcha.
Controlling for race, it doesn't change the numbers. That's part of why it's so shocking.

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Do Brits really eat better than [white] Americans?
Probably not that much better. To be clear - one of the reasons this is so depressing is that, of the 10 countries measured, the UK is the SECOND worst.

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My money is on fentanyl as far as the continental comparisons go.
Guns and cars are about 2 years each. Drugs is most of the rest.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69270 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 9:19 pm to
This comes down to a basic morality question

freedom and higher death rates

or

greater levels of govt control but safer lives

Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
15504 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 9:19 pm to
A lot of the deaths are due to fentanyl. Border security is needed.
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