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re: New law in Illinois makes it illegal to film cops and allows wiretapping without
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:23 am to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:23 am to NYNolaguy1
Land of Lincoln gonna Lincoln
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Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:23 am to NYNolaguy1
Illiniois blows.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:28 am to member12
I agree with the other assessments about this getting laughed out of the first court that hears a case on it (if it is signed into law).
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:56 am to NYNolaguy1
Outside of Chicago, Illinois is a large collection of small towns. These people elect local politicians that are connected with their local Sherrif's departments, who don't appreciate being filmed.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:01 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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If someone wants to waste battery power recording me in public, film away.
As a cop, why do you think other officers are so opposed to this? Anyone can understand why a citizen may want to film their interaction with police.
Also, are cops generally opposed to or support the wearing of body cams?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:02 pm to Asgard Device
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Outside of Chicago, Illinois is a large collection of small towns. These people elect local politicians that are connected with their local Sherrif's departments, who don't appreciate being filmed.
Chicago runs the state. I'm sure the cops in Chicago are just as excited about this law as the small town guys. Probably moreso.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:04 pm to the808bass
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Posted by the808bass
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Outside of Chicago, Illinois is a large collection of small towns. These people elect local politicians that are connected with their local Sherrif's departments, who don't appreciate being filmed.
Chicago runs the state. I'm sure the cops in Chicago are just as excited about this law as the small town guys. Probably moreso.
Probably so but this took representatives from all over the state. Chicago PD covers around 22% percent of the state's population, I believe. They just elected a Republican governor.
I'm just speaking from experience after doing s stint in the middle of the state (mostly Bloomington). The small town culture is strong. I didn't find the cops there to be disrespectful, though. Not like they are in Louisiana and Texas.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:46 pm to NYNolaguy1
So they can monitor and record us but we can't monitor and record them?
Yay for tyranny
Yay for tyranny
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:49 pm to NYNolaguy1
If you ignore all the police shootings, torture, and busted justice system one could argue that America is as good as it ever was. Land of the free.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:56 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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As a cop, I am by no means in favor of this. I jealously guard my constitutional rights. I don't need Big Brother holding more authority. If someone wants to waste battery power recording me in public, film away.*
I feel the same way
Posted on 12/12/14 at 1:00 pm to novabill
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As a cop, why do you think other officers are so opposed to this
Most of the guys I work with don't care if you film them. Each car has two cameras in it here so we are going to record you. I love having a camera and body mic. It certainly helps me in my cases.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 1:45 pm to NYNolaguy1
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New law in Illinois makes it illegal to film cops
Absolutely false.
As in not true.
The ACLU itself has put down the false rumors pertaining to this portion of the bill:
"So the new statute generally provides that police, informants, or other members of the public cannot record our private conversations without our permission. Also, we cannot be arrested or prosecuted under the new statute for recording on-duty government officials who are talking to the public as part of their jobs, because those conversations are not private. The new statute respects the appellate court ruling in the case the ACLU brought against the Cook County State’s Attorney’s Office: on-duty police officers have no reasonable expectation of privacy in their conversations in public places. "
Posted on 12/12/14 at 1:57 pm to NHTIGER
Link?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:03 pm to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:20 pm to NYNolaguy1
damn those liberals
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:24 pm to NHTIGER
Two things:
1)You left this part out of the ACLU response:
2)I think the original article was referring to the language of the law, which talks about how if only one person has a reasonable expectation of privacy, then you can't record. That's a huge caveat in the bill. How easy is it for a person with a badge and a gun to to say "You can't tape me right now. Stop or we will arrest you?".
From another article
LINK
And for a read of the bill itself: LINK
1)You left this part out of the ACLU response:
quote:
Unfortunately, compared to the last version of the Illinois eavesdropping statute, the new statute significantly expands the circumstances when police and informants may record and intercept private conversations and phone calls without all-party consent or a warrant. We know of no evidence that the prior version of the statute, which required police to seek judicial approval, was any impediment to law enforcement in these instances. We are concerned about the expanded number of cases where no judicial officer will provide a check on police. On this basis, the ACLU of Illinois opposed the new statute.
2)I think the original article was referring to the language of the law, which talks about how if only one person has a reasonable expectation of privacy, then you can't record. That's a huge caveat in the bill. How easy is it for a person with a badge and a gun to to say "You can't tape me right now. Stop or we will arrest you?".
From another article
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The new bill would classify unlawful recording of police, an attorney general, assistant attorney general, state’s attorney, assistant state’s attorney or a judge a Class 3 felony, which can result in a 2-4 year prison sentence. Unlawful recording of a citizen would be classified as a Class 4 felony, which could result in 1-3 years in prison. A felony conviction and subsequent prison sentence has the ability to deter people from recording encounters, especially if they are unsure when it is legal to record conversations.
LINK
And for a read of the bill itself: LINK
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:52 pm to NYNolaguy1
I had previously read BOTH of the links you provided. I always do my research before commenting.
I addressed only the part about "filming cops", which is why I only quoted that portion of the ACLU statement which addresses that issue. As you can see in your quote, the ACLU opposed the bill due to the eavesdropping portion of the bill, while applauding the right-to-film-cops portion - the only portion I addressed.
Your thread title reads, "New law in Illinois makes it illegal to film cops and ..."
I stand by my assertion that the title is both misleading and inaccurate.
I addressed only the part about "filming cops", which is why I only quoted that portion of the ACLU statement which addresses that issue. As you can see in your quote, the ACLU opposed the bill due to the eavesdropping portion of the bill, while applauding the right-to-film-cops portion - the only portion I addressed.
Your thread title reads, "New law in Illinois makes it illegal to film cops and ..."
I stand by my assertion that the title is both misleading and inaccurate.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 5:21 pm to NYNolaguy1
They just keep trying and trying and trying.
Big brother is so desperate to stop people from recording their actions and holding them accountable by shining a light on their nefarious activities.
Big brother is so desperate to stop people from recording their actions and holding them accountable by shining a light on their nefarious activities.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:27 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:Wasn't this already decided by the Supreme Court or a Circuit Court to be legal?
New law in Illinois makes it illegal to film cops
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