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re: New Ahmaud Arbery video from 2017

Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:37 am to
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:37 am to
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You may have a bit of a blind spot.


No, I have an odd funny bone.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:38 am to
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Legally speaking, there is no good answer..... "Real world" answer would be: "Because we can't depend on people in the legal system to do the right thing and keep these scumbags off the streets so decent folk can live their lives"


I get this feeling but honestly, this is why I've said in other threads that the ambiguity of citizens stopping citizens needs to be removed.

I'm already constantly talking on this board about how the single greatest way to reduce negative police/citizen interactions is to seek to reduce UNNECESSARY interactions because, every interaction has the potential to go poorly. Basically, negative interactions is a function of total.

Well, the same can be said of armed confrontations between citizens. There are absolutely times when they are necessary. My personal take is that legally speaking, confronting and attempting to make a stop should be:
1. When the incident directly involves you and your property.

and/or......yes either condition alone will suffice

2. When your actions are required for the immediate safety of yourself or others.

Alas...……...even then...……...murder has a specific meaning and, going for it in this case is a fool's errand.
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
14684 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:38 am to
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Yet if one were to look at your History on this matter, your ANGER is directed at "McDumbazzes, rednecks, sheet-wearing KKK Baws, etc, etc....."


I have called out a couple of knuckleheads that seem to be arguing that killing a black guy is justified because other black people have killed more white people than vice versa, NONE of that has shite to do with this case.

Obviously, the McDumbasses, who are a couple of McRednecks have everything to do with this case because they fricking murdered the guy and their buddies were trying to cover it up.

Please, reply to the facts...

Aggravated Assault
Felony Murder
Cover up
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
21889 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:39 am to
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Alas...……...even then...……...murder has a specific meaning and, going for it in this case is a fool's errand.

According to Georgia law, if they committed aggravated assault then they also committed murder. Malice isn't required because the death occurred during a felony.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:39 am to
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Ok I'll rephrase since you are being obtuse about it. Do you think they committed an aggravated assault or not?


How is it being obtuse to note that there is zero evidence that says they DID. They MAY have, as you correctly stated

But, good fricking luck proving it without actual evidence beyond your feelings.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42052 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:40 am to
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Aggravated Assault


No proof yet

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Felony Murder


Good luck

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Cover up



No evidence.

And your McReneck and McDumbass proves this is nothing more than race to you.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14372 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:41 am to
all this past character building for Arbery doesn't matter. if those two hillbilly looking guys start chasing me with guns, i would believe i had to fight for my life.....


And i am white.....
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:41 am to
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AKA You aren’t bowing down to my beliefs here. Therefore, you are stupid, trashy, racist, obtuse, etc etc.
You noticed that.


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If they pointed their weapons- maybe.

And, going before a jury with a "maybe" is a very bad plan.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62351 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:42 am to
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Aggravated Assault
Felony Murder
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they fricking murdered the guy


When was the trial?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:42 am to
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According to Georgia law, if they committed aggravated assault then they also committed murder


Cool. IF

Go to a jury with that shite and watch these dudes walk.

Go after them for manslaughter, and you have a damned good shot. Alas, for the very reasons the media loves this case so much, it's gonna get fricked up.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40211 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:42 am to
You think it will be tough to prove that two armed civilians chasing you up and down the street and yelling at you to comply would put a reasonable person in fear of a violent injury?


Lmao
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42052 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:42 am to
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You noticed that.


Yeah. Kilroy, McMore&Les, and Ignerio have formed a posse and are willing to shout down and call anyone a racist who wants all the facts to come out.

On any board in any thread.

Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:43 am to
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that seem to be arguing that killing a black guy is justified because other black people have killed more white people than vice versa,


Please show us where someone has JUSTIFIED killing this man because others' were killed and you are NOT intentionally twisting what they mean, I'd be interested.

The truth is probably that their mention of those stats has to do with the MEDIA PORTRAYAL, pushing of this case and you unnaturally spirited defense of Arbery and constant whitey bashing.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:43 am to
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You think it will be tough to prove that two armed civilians chasing you up and down the street and yelling at you to comply would put a reasonable person in fear of a violent injury?


You can LMAO all you like, but you just changed your question which should tell you right out of the gates how bad of an idea it is to go before a jury with it.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42052 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:44 am to
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The truth is probably that their mention of those stats has to do with the MEDIA PORTRAYAL, pushing of this case and you unnaturally spirited defense of Arbery and constant whitey bashing.


DING DING DING

We have a winner!
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:44 am to
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I get this feeling but honestly, this is why I've said in other threads that the ambiguity of citizens stopping citizens needs to be removed.


But the average citizen feels helpless when many of these local governments have decided that they aren't going to prosecute ANYONE who steals less than $750.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:45 am to
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Felony Murder


Have they been found guilty?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:45 am to
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Yeah. Kilroy, McMore&Les, and Ignerio have formed a posse and are willing to shout down and call anyone a racist who wants all the facts to come out.


And it's funny, because we'll never have ALL the facts.

I think literally everything the McMichaels did in this case was dumb other than perhaps following long enough to get good video or IDing him.

But, go for murder in this case, and they walk. People can get mad all they like about it. That's just what's gonna happen.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
21889 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:45 am to
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But the average citizen feels helpless when many of these local governments have decided that they aren't going to prosecute ANYONE who steals less than $750.

That's right! frick them thug criminals, I'm glad they put a bullet in his thieving skull. No good trash deserved it!
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:46 am to
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When was the trial?


Immediately after the MSMedia shoved this down the willing throats of Leftys' who get off on this type thing....

They were found guilty of Black-Genocide on Social Media and message boards everywhere.
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